Here are the 30+ questions in the matchmaking tool that Singapore is deploying to solve the incel problem.

60 points•danielfoster•about 4 hours ago•25 comments•

25 comments

water-data-dudeabout 2 hours ago
You know, there's probably fewer perverse incentives with a government run dating service. Obviously I can imagine ways it could suck, but when I compare them to how commercial dating services are run it's hard to see how they could do a _worse_ job.
throw9308390092 minutes ago
Autocratic goverment gets all your personal info, and chooses a mate for you. This is beyond incentives, it is just perverse!
SwtCyber9 minutes ago
The nice thing is that the government has no reason to keep you swiping forever
sergiotapiaabout 1 hour ago
Aren't commercial dating sites as a whole summarized as:

Keep supply of women high because men will pay anything for a chance?

I am very curious how this will be changed in this government platform. Maybe it won't LOL

SwtCyber7 minutes ago
I think that's a bit too reductive, but the incentive mismatch is real. Commercial apps generally benefit from people staying on the app; a government service theoretically benefits if people pair off and leave.
some_furry43 minutes ago
It's also a market for lemons: Every match that leads to a long-term, exclusive relationship is two customers gone for good.
jjmarrabout 2 hours ago
Gale-Shapley, used in this service, has the property that one side ("proposing" side) is guaranteed their most advantageous stable match while the other side is guaranteed their worst possible stable match.

I've never heard this discussed or mentioned as a drawback because it's Nobel Prize winning and "stable" is a shorthand for "fair". Even though there's many unique stable matches that each offer participants different utilities even if individual participants don't have incentives to change their pairing.

In practice, the more powerful party seems to be the proposing side, e.g. hospitals are the "proposing side" when using Gale-Shapeley to match w/ med school students and get their ideal students.

I wonder if anyone who works on dating apps knows if men or women are the preferred side? And is there any research on stable matching that ensures equity (or ideally arbitrary distribution of utility) between the two groups in their stable matches?

Scaevolus32 minutes ago
Given how women initiate most divorces, it's probably best to set it up so they are the proposing side.

But this isn't raw Gale-Shapley-- the participants aren't ranking all hundreds/thousands of others. In particular, the preference matrix is based on identical mutual compatibility scores, so there's a unique stable solution (not multiple stable ones!), and there's no "side" that benefits, since the solution is identical no matter who does the "proposing".

jjmarr6 minutes ago
> the preference matrix is based on identical mutual compatibility scores

Is that modeling the problem correctly? It seems pretty rare for two partners to have equal amounts of love for each other.

jmalickiabout 1 hour ago
Are there keywords to search for to read more? This is the first time I've heard about this! This is super interesting, what are a few well known other stable matches people deeper into this talk about?
jjmarr12 minutes ago
The set of stable matches for a given problem seems to be called the lattice of stable matching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_of_stable_matchings

The problem is it's a lattice and not fully ordered. There are cases where there are two or more pairings that are worse for women and better for men, but we cannot determine which pairing is superior to the other overall.

dominicq29 minutes ago
> In short, stable matches mean nothing when nobody is committed and the best options might exist outside of the matchmaking pool

This is wrong. Stable matches still mean something, and in fact probably mean quite a lot.

You are given a much better match than a random pairing. If you still aren't interested, you can decline. If you go on a date and it doesn't work out, you can decline.

Nothing forces you to use this process, it is just an offer of a significantly better than random matching to what you might prefer.

It doesn't even need to account for preferences not covered by the questionnaire.

tommica44 minutes ago
A very interesting solution to the problem. Surely this data will not be repurposed, right?

But if it helps likeminded people to find each other, then it absolutely has some value.

podocarpabout 1 hour ago
Entirely dismissing how important looks, vibes, personality are in relationships. Not even dating -- if someone smells, you're not going to be incentives to make friends with them. This seems to me to just be trodding the same pseudoscientific route as MBTI personality tests, trying to condense a person into a list of multiple choice questions. That will never work. No algorithm can do it. Social interaction is not a solved game.
dominicq27 minutes ago
The point isn't to be a complete solution to social interaction, the point is to provide a significantly better than random sampling and pairing.

You can then still apply your usual filters afterwards, such as smell, looks, vibes.

eternauta3k41 minutes ago
It's a shame that they deduce your ranking just from the questions. I think the algorithm would be perfect if paired with a manual ranking by the user.
vachina39 minutes ago
There are obvious deal breakers, and then as you grow older you develop “taste”.

These are well defined criteria which can be queried upon.

However the ranking only works if both sides are honest.

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