I'm plowing through the Dungeon Crawler Carl series, which is not particularly challenging as sci-fi/LitRPG goes, but entertaining enough. I'm also wrapping up Doctorow's _Enshittification_, and I'm looking for…

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I'm plowing through the Dungeon Crawler Carl series, which is not particularly challenging as sci-fi/LitRPG goes, but entertaining enough. I'm also wrapping up Doctorow's _Enshittification_, and I'm looking for something a little meaty to keep the brain working...

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steve_adams_86about 21 hours ago
Thinking In Systems: A Primer by Donella Meadows

My 17 year old son bought it for me for my birthday. I've been enjoying it a lot. I do in fact like thinking in systems and learning more about it, and reading it in a more generalized fashion than I tend to in the computer science world has provided a refreshing perspective. It's all very approachable, nothing very complex, but gives names and discreet patterns to things I intuitively understood but previously wouldn't articulate easily. Definitely one of my favourite gifts in a long time.

Stories of Your Life and Others by Ted Chiang

I read bits of this to my wife at night occasionally. One of the first trips we went on together was camping on a little island, and I had Kafka on the Shore (Haruki Murakami) with me which I suggested I read to her in the evening. She really liked it and I've done it since. I wish I did it more often. Anyway, Stories of Your Life and Others is a wonderful collection. I've read it a few times, not always completely, and I enjoy it. Story of your life is the standout. It's what the movie Arrival is based on, which I consider one of the best scifi movies of all time. It's a beautiful story.

Silo series by Hugh Howey

I've been watching the show and decided the books deserve a shot. If the show is as good as it is, the books must be great, right?

atulatulabout 19 hours ago
> Thinking In Systems... gives names and discreet patterns to things I intuitively understood but previously wouldn't articulate easily

I liked the observations like:

'long-term behavior provides clues to the underlying system structure. And structure is the key to understanding not just what is happening, but why'*

'Purposes are deduced from behavior, not from rhetoric or stated goals.'

'Large organizations of all kinds, from corporations to governments, lose their resilience simply because the feedback mechanisms by which they sense and respond to their environment have to travel through too many layers of delay and distortion.'

* 'Structure generates behavior' as stated in the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Yp8A7BPE8

andrew_lettuceabout 12 hours ago
This book made me start focusing on flows vs stocks, a distinction humans tend to get backwards and the make several related mistakes. The book gets some valid criticism, but it's a primer and a good one at that.
vintermannabout 18 hours ago
> Purposes are deduced from behavior, not from rhetoric or stated goals.

A light rewrite of the slogan "the purpose of a system is what it does".

I hate that slogan. It's supposed to be profound, but it's actually really, really dumb.

The whole point of the word purpose - its purpose if you will - is to be able to talk about the difference between what a system does and what it ought to do. To say the purpose of a thing is what it does, is to render the word completely redundant.

If the stated goals of a system don't match what it does, then either you have a dysfunctional system that needs to be fixed, or those stated goals are lies.

In these days of AI, it's all the more important to think clearly about purpose. Just because a system does a thing, there's not necessarily anyone who wants that thing. And there's definitively not any "spirit of the corporation" or "spirit of the nation" or "spirit of the language model" which wants it. Only persons want things.

aanetabout 9 hours ago
If you loved Thinking In Systems: A Primer, you may want to read Business Dynamics by John Sterman [1], one of the proponents and pioneers (after Jay Forrester) of systems dynamics. It's a textbook, but even so it is readable and engaging.

Systems thinking changes the way people think about solutions, often for the better (but not always). There's a tendency to think: "uh... it's the system, nothing's gonna change unless we change the _system_ per se". And that's correct. But individual actions also change systemic outputs. So. Case in point: climate change and all that...

[fun fact, I took a class with Sterman at MIT. He's fantastic, very engaging!]

[1] https://mitsloan.mit.edu/faculty/directory/john-d-sterman

dan-baileyabout 12 hours ago
Chiang's stuff is fantastic. I'd love to live in a timeline where he writes novels instead of just short stories, but I'll take what I can get. (Big fan of Arrival, too -- even hit the GitHub repo of all the glyphs and got one tattooed.)
freggelnabout 6 hours ago
Can you please point me towards the repo? Quick search didn't yield any results on my end. Thanks.
ashout33about 20 hours ago
Can you tell me more about reading to your wife? Is she listening intently, or like falling asleep? or is she doing something and listening in the background? (knitting / on her phone)
patconabout 13 hours ago
Not the OP, but my partner and his wife have done this for years.

I was inspired, and I did a variation of it with a partner at one point. It was really nice. Feels kinda like a synthetic version of an engaging conversation with someone you care about, but perhaps with words you can't muster yourselves at that time of the day. If you've chosen the book together, it's guaranteed to be the right thing between you. It's nice to feel like you're hearing or learning something interesting from the person you care about, even when one of you perhaps don't have the conversation or the story in you. (I have a high appetite for connecting over ideas, but sometimes people I care about can run out of capacity before me, so it feels like a hack for my relationships.)

I imagine swapping reader-listener roles is another variation.

cloudheadabout 20 hours ago
Did you start the silo book? Loved the show as well.
adamcharnock1 day ago
Two of Vernor Vinge's books in particular (science fiction): A Fire Upon The Deep, and A Deepness In The Sky.

They have a special place in my heart. Vinge didn't write much, but what he did write I think is very special indeed.

I've also taken to buying hardbacks of my favourite books from ebay.

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/77711.A_Fire_Upon_the...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/226004.A_Deepness_in_the...

Metacelsusabout 3 hours ago
Oooh those are really good! (I'd say more but I don't want to spoil anything)
largePanda91 day ago
Great series! Give Children of Time a go next if you haven’t already.
emaroabout 20 hours ago
I second that. The 3 body problem is also great!
arethuzaabout 19 hours ago
I sometimes wonder if we are living through something that looks a bit like the prologue of A Fire Upon the Deep...
xoxxala1 day ago
I just finished my umpteenth reread of AFUtD. It’s one of those books I can pull off the shelf every few years and enjoy from beginning to end.

The Cradle series by Will Wight, starting with Unsouled. Kind of hard to describe, but it’s an sci-fi/Asian fantasy martial arts cultivation epic. If you liked Dungeon Crawler Carl, it may be of interest.

askvictor1 day ago
If you haven't read about his (technical) system for writing, do so. Very geeky. He described it (including notes) in my ebook copy of Fire Upon The Deep
kstrauser1 day ago
Just finished: "Lonesome Dove", by Larry McMurtry. From the name, I'd somehow assumed it was a romance novel. No, it's absolutely not. If it were released today, I think I'd describe it as "horsepunk": instead of cyberpunk's high tech low-lifes, it's basically horseback low-lifes. That's not entirely fair because there's a lot of moral strength in some of the characters, but they're all living on the brutal edges of a society where any random event might bring death, or worse.

Now reading: "null: $cat /dev/null_", by Dienw Neb[0]. I don't know what it's about yet. I heard about it in an ad in the back of "2600 Magazine" and it caught my attention. Initial impressions are that 1) Neb is really good at dialog, and 2) their recreations of IRC chats is so perfect that I know they had to've spend many hours online in the middle of the night. Basically, the author knows how to write things I want to read. I do so hope they stick the landing and that the story turns out as wonderful as the writing.

[0]https://nebulaofbooks.com/books/null-cat-dev-null_/

kungfooeyabout 23 hours ago
Good lord, I nearly died at “horsepunk.” It’s a western, yo. I agree that it’s a great read.
kstrauserabout 23 hours ago
Well, sure! But most westerns don’t give you that much insight into each person’s motivations and inner lives. And others tend to be more optimistic, with a common theme that truth and justice are destined to win out. Lonesome Dove’s freaking grim. The world seems out to get them, but it’s worse: the world just doesn’t care.

People who haven’t read it: Lonesome Dove won a Pulitzer for a reason. It’s very good.

rudolftheoneabout 20 hours ago
"Lonesome Dove" was the most surprising book in years for me - I do not like westerns, and that book is a western - but guess what: I loved it!

One of the best books and simply the best imho in its genre.

maherbegabout 13 hours ago
You might like Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy then! Easily one of my favorite series (first 2 books are better than the last one IMO)
nephihahaabout 14 hours ago
There are several westerns I can think of which are classic novels by any standard. I got my book group to read "True Grit" by Charles Portis. ("Masters of Atlantis" by the same author is another underrated work, and sends up secret societies.) There was some resistance to it based on its genre, since the group had not read a western before, but it has a strong female lead character, and some of the members were very impressed by it.

Roald Dahl: "True Grit is the best novel to come my way for a very long time. What book has given me greater pleasure in the last five years? Or in the last twenty? What a writer."

Donna Tartt: "I cannot think of another novel—any novel—which is so delightful to so many disparate age groups and literary tastes [as True Grit]."

The more recent film is more faithful to the novel than the 60s/70s one.

"Butcher's Crossing" is another one that springs to mind.

creature_x1 day ago
Oh I've got some recs for you if you want meaty! I've been reading classics this year. It started with East of Eden; if you've got a philosophical leaning and appreciate your characters deeply fleshed out, you owe it to yourself to read this book.

The next one was Lonesome Dove, this was my first time reading a western and I didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I did. The book is also absolutely hilarious and has one of my favorite characters in a book(shoutout to Gus).

I'm currently reading The Count of Monte Cresto and, boy, it's turning out to be quite the epic tale of revenge(no spoilers please!).

UncleOxidant1 day ago
I started the year reading Demons by Dostoevsky. Seemed prophetic in a lot of ways about what was coming about 40 years later in 1917.

At the beginning of the summer I read All the Pretty Horses by Cormac McCarthy. I'm not into westerns, but I really liked that one. A modern classic.

Just finished The Memory of Old Jack by Wendell Berry. Such a gorgeously written book.

hodgesrmabout 22 hours ago
> I'm currently reading The Count of Monte Cresto and, boy, it's turning out to be quite the epic tale of revenge(no spoilers please!).

Once you get done, try The Three Musketeers. It's both romantic (like Monte Christo) and also really funny, not dark at all. Dumas was an amazing writer, backed by August Maquet, who wrote the first drafts on both novels.

raddan1 day ago
I don’t know if this is considered a classic, but I recently read and thoroughly enjoyed Daphne Du Maurier’s “Rebecca”. I think I might have read it in a single sitting.

I was lead to Rebecca after I found and read a discarded copy of Donna Tartt’s “The Secret History”. I wanted more and Googled “books like Rebecca”. Sadly, I thought Tartt’s “The Goldfinch”, which lots of people raved about, was not very good.

bookofjoeabout 11 hours ago
Diff'rent strokes. In the depths of a 1.75-year-long major depressive episode in 2015-2016, one of the VERY few books that completely made me forget my misery while I read it was "The Goldfinch." The others: Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey–Maturin series.
aanetabout 22 hours ago
Last night, I dreamt I went to Manderley again...

I first read _Rebecca_ as a teen, years ago. Still recall the thrill of the book. Few writers wrote so engagingly as Du Maurier. Hitchcock's movie was fine, but the book is the real deal.

bumbledraven1 day ago
I tried multiple English translations of The Count of Monte Cristo, and the Robin Buss translation was the only one I enjoyed. (Unfortunately, there is no audiobook of this translation, but I had Codex create one for me.

If you're unconvinced, try comparing a few random passages to see which one you prefer, or just check the beginning of Chapter 1. You could also show a few translations of a passage to an LLM and ask it which one best conveys the nuance of the original French.

tstrimpleabout 1 hour ago
The Count of Monte Cristo is probably the worst "popular" classic I've ever read. It was trash. So repetitive. It's clearly a product of its time and not a proper "novel". It's a series of newspaper serials aggregated into a book where Dumas was paid by the word. And he used as many words as he could to say as little as possible. One of the rare examples of where many video adaptations are better than the original written version. My favorite part of the movies was him learning to be the Count and that part is basically non-existent in the books. It just skips over to him being a master of everything.
mindcrime1 day ago
Fiction:

I'm on Book Two of the Dungeon Crawler Carl series.

Non-Fiction:

More than I can count, as far as "I've read at least some, put a bookmark in it, and intend to finish it eventually." But in terms of the books I'm really actively engaging with right now, the top one is:

Neuroscience: Exploring The Brain[1] by Mark F. Bear, Barry W. Connors, and Michael A. Paradiso

And sort of in parallel with that, is

Analog Computing: Development, Programming, Applications, and Future Directions[2] by Bernd Ulmann

[1]: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0781760038/

[2]: https://www.amazon.com/Analog-Computing-Development-Programm...

ckrailoabout 4 hours ago
I've also been enjoying Dungeon Crawler Carl like many here. To scratch my neuroscience itch, I recently read:

Rethinking Consciousness: A Scientific Theory of Subjective Experience by Michael S. A. Graziano (https://link.amazon/B0fbKBxEU)

The World Behind the World: Consciousness, Free Will, and the Limits of Science by Erik Hoel (https://link.amazon/B05TPjEY6)

Greatly enjoyed both. Made me think about the thinking-machines future and our ever-increasing understanding of the human brain.

rocketpastsix1 day ago
I just started book 6 of Dungeon Crawler Carl. You are in for a treat.
Trufa1 day ago
I really enjoyed them as audiobooks.

There was a particular "Prepotente" moment that made laugh so loud i was honestly embarrassed of the sound I made in the caffe, I'm really not easily embarrassed.

godshatter1 day ago
I'm on Book Seven of DCC. Very fun. Looking forward to reading Book Eight.
gwbas1cabout 10 hours ago
The seventh floor of Dungeon Crawler Carl is my favorite so far. It's a very fast read.
JKCalhoun1 day ago
Ha ha, you might enjoy my analog computer kit [1].

I think of it as an analog computer primer.

In fact, I sent one to Dr. Bernd Ulmann. He enjoyed it. :-)

[1] https://www.tindie.com/products/jcalhoun/anna-analog-compute...

raddan1 day ago
Wow, super cool. I wish I had the time to dig into one of these. If I do, I will buy one in a heartbeat. Thanks for making this!
mindcrimeabout 22 hours ago
Very cool. I'll probably pick up one up. Thanks for the heads-up!

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