Panda is the world's first personal AI computer. All the power of AI, running inside your home. No data centers, no surveillance, no subscriptions. Preorder for a $100 deposit.

8 points•moezee1•3 days ago•54 comments•
We're building an AI computer for consumers, most of whom are quite hesitant with existing services due to privacy concerns and because of costs that add up when using various AI tools.

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singpolyma33 days ago
No specs. No examples of models it can run. No idea if any of the source will be available.

Basically vapourware.

moezee13 days ago
Hi,

We left the specs out because the landing page was made for non-technical consumers who aren't aware of the hardware required in general.

Here are the specs: Processor (SoC): AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 Memory: 128 GB LPDDR5X-8000 Motherboard: custom Storage: NVMe SSD, 4 TB: WD_Black SN850X 4TB

Rest is basic: ethernet, usb c ports, wifi module, power supply

Inference engine: llama.cpp

Models: A fast default for chat, email and calendar: a 30B-class mixture-of-experts model like Qwen3-30B-A3B. A larger model for harder tasks: gpt-oss-120b. A coding model: Qwen3-Coder-Next.

The late release date is specifically to fine tune the experience for the non technical consumer, someone who wouldn't know what model to switch to for what task. We want this to be a seamless out of the box experience. UI/UX is very important here. Another reason for the late release is the chip cant be bought off the shelf and need AMD to sell us the chip at a certain volume

nacs2 days ago
I'm seeing 128GB DDR5 RAM costing $3500+ just by itself.

How are you going to build an entire system shipped for $3k?

This spec sheet looks more like a dreamed-up spec sheet than pricing reality.

binlog3 days ago
Not just vaporware but a scam to collect the $100 deposits and disappear.

December 2027 shipping date is hilarious for an AI hardware product.

tianqi3 days ago
No company name. No contacts.
blakeashleyjr3 days ago
No way I can put any money down without knowing the specs. Unless I am missing something, I didn't see anything on the homepage.
kadoban3 days ago
How did they nail down a price but no specs? Very odd.

They're targetting people who want AI and will spend thousands, but don't know enough to ask _any_ details? Why wouldn't that audience just be on chatgpt?

moezee13 days ago
Hi, posted the specs above
popalchemist3 days ago
Probably just vaporware at this moment.
moezee13 days ago
Hi,

We left the specs out because the landing page was made for non-technical consumers who aren't aware of the hardware required in general.

Here are the specs: Processor (SoC): AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 Memory: 128 GB LPDDR5X-8000 Motherboard: custom Storage: NVMe SSD, 4 TB: WD_Black SN850X 4TB

Rest is basic: ethernet, usb c ports, wifi module, power supply

Inference engine: llama.cpp

Models: A fast default for chat, email and calendar: a 30B-class mixture-of-experts model like Qwen3-30B-A3B. A larger model for harder tasks: gpt-oss-120b. A coding model: Qwen3-Coder-Next.

The late release date is specifically to fine tune the experience for the non technical consumer, someone who wouldn't know what model to switch to for what task. We want this to be a seamless out of the box experience. UI/UX is very important here. Another reason for the late release is the chip cant be bought off the shelf and need AMD to sell us the chip at a certain volume

UncleMeat2 days ago
So you are targeting the market of non-technical users who don't care about the basic specs for a computer and care so deeply about privacy that they are also willing to spend three thousand dollars on a device that won't arrive for another year or more?

Every single non-technical user I can think of would either say "why should I buy this if chatgpt is free" or "ai is dumb and I don't want to use it."

furyofantares3 days ago
The chat UI is duplicating the chatgpt/claude web chats, where you've got a list of chats on the left and each new thing you wanna do is expected to be a new chat, and maybe it has memories it writes to or can search chats to cross reference.

I've been using these things a bit differently lately, more of a personal assistant - probably more of the OpenClaw setup I'd guess, though I haven't used OpenClaw. I have my macbook running constantly and it has a session running for reach of my projects, plus one session called pa (personal assistant) which is set up to track tasks and to talk to all the other sessions.

The pa is the only session I directly interact with anymore. It's got it's own Signal account and a single Signal chat is the way I interact with all my sessions. Actually, there are a few sessions run on other machines too that it knows how to get to, but mostly it's just the per-project sessions on my macbook.

I think that's how I'm gonna want stuff like this to work - mostly in one single text thread that delegates to the others. The others don't have to be totally invisible, being able to drop into them individually would be fine as long as it doesn't interfere with the simplicity of the main thread.

NegativeLatency3 days ago
How do you manage context?

Not a gotcha, just trying to understand how your setup works

furyofantares3 days ago
So the PA itself isn't really a problem, it mostly just delegates to other sessions and if it has personal assistant-type work to do, it uses subagents. The per-project sessions are also meant to use subagents liberally.

But the actual answer is just one session per project and auto-compacting. Actually I run into usage limits on both codex and claude max subscriptions and so there is also a fair bit of it having to do codex/claude handoffs which is like a worse auto-compact.

I am quite sure I get worse results at a higher cost than I do for my actual day job, where I'm taking ownership of code, getting the actual code I want, and therefore doing a lot more manual context management.

But for side projects and other personal computer usage it's all vibing and auto-compacting.

youniverse3 days ago
This has to be a scam for normies to forget about the deposit they made by ship time.
moezee13 days ago
definitely not a scam, we're using feedback on this thread to change the landing page and add more details
postatic3 days ago
Shipping Dec 2027... I don't know about you, but at the rate of current pace, I don't know what to expect at the end of 2027.
dumbmrblah3 days ago
Exactly especially without any hardware specs. This thing could be outdated in early 2027 let alone December.
moezee13 days ago
Dropped the specs in a standalone comment

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