143 points•ArielSimon•7 days ago•52 comments•

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pluc7 days ago
That's happening across the board when it comes to models that feed off online information. Create a website with a false claim, have AI slurp it up and spit it back out when a user asks a question.

Happy elections.

mrweasel6 days ago
Oh no, my uncritical ingestion of data, based on the assumption that all data is of equal quality, and that more is better, has failed. How could this happen!

You've always needed to be critical of your sources, your teacher tried to explain that when you ripped of that Wikipedia article or clicked the first link in a Google search. How the fuck did the AI companies think they could avoid reading and rating the content they've been hovering up?

jackb40406 days ago
Because their leaderships have defunded / fired all ethics researchers looking into their ongoing crimes and failures in favor of a bs "AI safety" narrative based around a creepypasta about an AI monster time traveling backwards to torture their staff for not maximizing shareholder value.
dgellow6 days ago
They believe their role is to build a god machine, as prophetized by Eliezer Yudkowsky and other Rationalists/Efective-Altruism folks. Nothing else really matters to them, they already made up their mind
cush6 days ago
They don’t assume all data is of equal quality
ambicapter6 days ago
Because AI companies select out the kinds of people who would ask silly questions like "wait, is this data good" that hamper the eternally "profitable" quest for "scaling".
adrianN6 days ago
Recent political discourse has all but proved that a majority of the populace in many countries is quite removed from facts in general. I don’t think that there is much hope for critical thinking.
jsrozner6 days ago
I was re-reading a book, and I had a thought. I googled to see whether someone else had the thought. Google AI said the internet did in fact have the same thought as I did. But when I looked more closely at the reddit source that Google AI cited, it turned out only a single user had had the thought before, and that user was .... me, when I last read the book.

Lol.

kjs36 days ago
Congrats...you're AI famous.
ariel-vigilance7 days ago
That's very troubling. The scariest part is how easy it is, one Instagram post and you may change the customer phone number of Airbnb, or who is leading the election poles.
someonebaggy6 days ago
But how do you get AI to slurp up the site? It's quite hard for a random to get a site indexed these days.
burningChrome6 days ago
Depends on the site. If its a small/medium business, every LLM is now looking for "reputation signals" and "authority signals". This means everything from your basic SEO on the site with incoming links, how updated your google business profile is, how many reviews you have, how recent they are. They're also looking at any kind of references from other blogs, substacks, youtube videos, social media shares as well as a number of other things they look for.

I would imagine in smaller industries, flooding the internet with fake information, then linking it all together would be somewhat easier - but it still takes quite a bit of work to get even just the major LLM's to give the consistent responses you want to see.

pluc6 days ago
You can't count on that, but quantity increases visibility don't it, and it takes a single prompt to spit it all out. Couple that with social media bots and you've got a decent modern and super cheap propaganda machine. Now imagine you toss millions of dollars at that idea.
RobRivera6 days ago
Hypnotoad promises peace.

Hypnotoad promises peace

Hypnotoad promises peace.

... or brainslug

mbauman6 days ago
I've been seeing the back-side of this as a mod at the Julia Discourse. Pagerank/SEO spam is ridiculously obvious and trivial to detect/block — links are all that matter. Many GEO spam posts are similarly obvious: someone posting about a cryptocurrency customer support hotline on a programming language forum is definitely spam. But recently spammers/scammers been using AI to _tailor_ posts to look much more authentic, posting "How to use Julia to analyze market statistics" referencing (without links!) a particular crypto exchange and then (sometimes) going back later to edit in phone numbers or the like.

What makes this even more painful is seeing all the good faith answers that such GEO posts spur from the community. It's far more abusive than SEO spam.

QuantumNoodle6 days ago
You don’t need to be a hacker to do this. My elderly neighbor searched for some version of “Microsoft help center phone number,” but Gemini suggested a scam number based on her search terms. She was scammed so much that I needed to spent the weekend helping her wipe computers, lock down the digital accounts and deal with identity theft.
waltbosz6 days ago
My wife runs the Facebook page for our community pool. It's a really nature oriented community, and as a April Fools joke, she posted something like "Announcing our new landscaping: we cut down all the pesky sun blocking trees, and replaced the grass with beautiful AstroTurf."

A few weeks later she searched for the pool on Google, and the AI review has taken the post seriously and mentioned that our pool features beautiful AstroTurf landscaping.

IIRC, the AI review repaired itself a few weeks later.

ticulatedspline6 days ago
AI poisoning is currently the new exploit frontier and I don't think it's going away anytime soon.

I was just contemplating the other day that agents we use at work are exposing new attack surfaces. For example, historically a folder of documents (maybe google docs) isn't a huge risk, particularly if it doesn't contain sensitive documents.

Now though if one employee is running a harness capable of computer control, and running an agent that reads from that directory, simply dropping some files with instructions could poison the AI to leak info or even own the host.

Skills are another supply risk, malicious instructions could be added to them.

reactordev6 days ago
The models themselves are an inherent risk. It’s amazing what they can do but at the same time you are no longer in complete control.
neya6 days ago
Imagine working decades and decades on PageRank™ only to throw it all away because you felt you've been left behind in the AI race. This is how you lose focus.
dgellow6 days ago
Google lost focus a very, very long time ago!

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