Letter: Owen Fraser responds to an article by Anna Tims on the price schoolchildren without smartphones pay on buses

42 points•DamonHD•about 3 hours ago•42 comments•

42 comments

HiPhish42 minutes ago
In Germany I have a monthly plan. I got a physical card with an NFC chip inside it. No app shenanigans. I can pause and renew my plan from home: log into the Bahn website, go to my account settings and adjust things there.

The real issue is not smartphones, iOS and Android or apps. The issue is that independent technical standards are intentionally ignored. There is no reason that I should not be able to set my plan through curl and hand-draw the QR code with pen and paper. Sure, I would not want to actually do it like that, that's not the point. The point is: if I can use curl and pen & paper, then I can use whatever else I want. If I want to use a smartphone I should be able to code my own app according to a well-documented public API. Those APIs already do exist, otherwise the official app would not work, so it's no extra work for the service provider.

We need a law that mandates open specifications for access to all publicly available services.

unified101about 2 hours ago
The actual answer is there's operational cost to handling cash, or payment methods beyond the ones that cover 99.9% people well. You pay more for the extra hassle the whole system has to serve that .1%

You may not like or disagree with it. But it's the true answer.

ArnoVWabout 1 hour ago
And for some transactions that makes sense. But for something that is supposed to serve everyone, and where there is a (natural) monopoly, that cannot be and acceptable answer.

Also, having your entire economy depend on companies that are not under your control, and that are even actively being weaponised, that seems like a stupid thing to do.

Also, nothing in all of that precluded a web app.

It'll take a couple of years but people will figure it out eventually.

graemepabout 2 hours ago
There are operational issues with phones (e.g. batteries running out).

This has nothing to do with handling cash. It is to do with the elimination of paper tickets for monthly passes. Where I live you can pay cash for one off tickets, but they refuse to sell you paper monthly tickets.

KellyCriterionabout 1 hour ago
why are they so focussed on "monthyl paper tickets"? are these any different to daily paper tickets?
damethosabout 1 hour ago
Are you implying that there isn't an operational cost for maintaining the infrastructure to support cashless payments or that it's cheaper? Unless I see actual numbers I am not convinced and that 1% you mention sounds completely random to me and not really "the true answer".
63stackabout 1 hour ago
How does that compare to the operational cost of developing an app, maintaining an app, paying for the infrastructure behind it, and having the payment processors take their cut, operate customer support etc?
lta43 minutes ago
That's a public service that should serve everyone, no ?
pjmlpabout 1 hour ago
Same is happening in Germany as well, including the supermarket apps mentioned at the end of the article.

Even better, in NRW region some ticket models are only available on the app, nowhere to be found on the ticket machines or at the counter on the stations.

Elfenerabout 2 hours ago
I find it weird that you have to pay every time you get on a bus in the UK it seems?

Are there no passes? e.g. in Budapest I have a monthly public transport pass and I just board the vehicle when it arrives without having to validate or purchase a ticket every time.

graemepabout 2 hours ago
The article is about the cost and availability of passes. The cheaper passes are apps.
ximmabout 1 hour ago
Not sure if this is the case here, but it might be that you pay in data if you use the app.

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