People describe their return to physical media – whether to protect data, support artists, or retain control of one’s choices

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sdcfgyabout 2 hours ago
I’m going back to CDs and ripping them because I’m fed up of shit disappearing from streaming services. Plus having to pay for access. Plus the crappy offline experience. Plus the crappy apps you have to use. Plus the devices that play them have a million other distractions I want to avoid. Oh and all the shite that is promoted constantly.

It’s a race to the bottom and I’m done with that.

canpanabout 2 hours ago
That is the way! VLC player works great on iOS and allows to upload of flac/mp3 via wlan.
sdcfgyabout 1 hour ago
I'm actually using foobar2000 on iOS. Much better for music. Had some reliability issues with VLC for music.
jonplackettabout 2 hours ago
I just finished making a ‘physical’ music system for my daughter.

The inverted commas are because it’s actually all MP3s that are stored on a phone.

But the phone is in a box

Connected to a speaker

Running an app I made that plays playlists when she places an nfc card on the box

Basically it’s a bootleg Yoto / Tonie box but completely free, and our own music.

Also got a desktop app where I download stuff, make plays lists and it auto syncs to the phone.

She actually really likes it. Having a physical sense of what you own feels good!

I wish I could take all the credit but Codex helped, a bit…

flr03about 2 hours ago
That is exactly what I had in mind for my daughter too, fantastic that you got that done
jonplackett17 minutes ago
We are genuinely at the point now where you can just mostly summon this into existence with a coding agent.

I thought through the UI and tech stack and reasearched what would actually work first and then wrote a very detailed brief for Codex. And about 2 hours of back and forth and re-thinking later, it works.

One challenge was that the phone has to have the NFC UI on while looking for cards, but i wanted it to turn off while playing so I could have a hole in the box to a blank screen she can swipe to skip back and forward.

This stumped Codex - but I then had the idea to use the depth cam to detect cards placed on the phone, then only show the scan UI again when the card is removed.

So now it works really seamlessly.

1) Place card on, music instantly starts, even remembers where in the song and playlist you are.

2) Remove card, phone detects it can see at least a few cm, instant stop.

3) Place a new, or the same card on and that instantly plays from the last position.

sixtyjabout 2 hours ago
I saw a new Walkman yesterday in one e-shop. I hadn’t dump audio tapes… so kids will be all right :)
jonplackett12 minutes ago
I was in shop the other day with my daughter and the walls were covered in cassette tapes as decoration.

I has to take SO MANY steps back to explain what they were.

I realised she thought all music was just magically created when you ask Alexa for it - so we had to start there to explain someone has to make the music first, and go back though streaming services, digital downloads, to having to literally go to a shop to buy a single song for £4 - which is probably about £20 now adjusted for inflation.

thehappypmabout 2 hours ago
Hacking a Tonie box would be so awesome
gosub100about 2 hours ago
That gives me an idea: a "CD player" that accepts the entire jewel case and has a camera inside that reads the barcode, retrieves the album, and plays it.
jonplackett23 minutes ago
I LOVE THAT IDEA SO MUCH.

It's so dumb and so functional at the same time.

My favourite ideas usually hug that Pareto frontier.

pkthunderabout 3 hours ago
I’ve been going through my own personal revival of physical media - mostly audio. I don’t miss streaming at all.

Every CD I buy gets ripped to a NAS that hosts the music behind Navidrone where I can stream to my vehicle using Play:Sub (thanks to Tailscale for enabling all of this to work for me!).

I am just so enamored with being able to get the best of both worlds - my own music, anywhere.

I do wish I could figure out some sort of recommendation system to find new magic, though. Obviously not to steam new/unowned songs, just to point me in a direction next time I go to the store.

alin23about 3 hours ago
I got myself an iPod Nano recently and love curating my songs to fit the 8GB [0]

But I have the same problem of trying to find recommendations. Whenever I talk about music with my brother and friends, that's when I discover the best music, but that happens rarely nowadays.

So with the help of Claude, I've revived my 10 year old project on finding music based on Spotify tracks and liked songs: https://noiseblend.com

Completely free, haven't shared it much because it's more of a personal thing than something I want public. But maybe it comes in handy for some people here.

[0] https://files.alinpanaitiu.com/ipod-nano.mp4

pkthunderabout 3 hours ago
Took a quick look at Noiseblend, seems nice! Will play around a bit more with it when I’m actually at a computer, but I find that I end up getting into a downward spiral of recommendations (not from yours - just in general) that reinforces what I listen to, versus expanding based on what I listen to.

I listen to a good amount of underground hip hop/backpack rap kind of stuff and I find that so many recommendation systems just recommend what I already listen to.

Oddly enough, I randomly asked Claude one day and got three novel album recommendations that no other service really gave me :shrug:

criddellabout 2 hours ago
> But I have the same problem of trying to find recommendations.

If you're buying music semi-regularly then the people at the record store are probably starting to recognize you and what you like and will probably be happy to recommendation stuff.

showsoverabout 3 hours ago
Nice website and functionality!

I would love a way to create a playlist from the related songs it found if that is possible!

swozeyabout 2 hours ago
I use spotify for convenience and social sake, my friends use it and its been the best mobile/android auto/desktop sync app but it's well known for not having literally the best albums/songs/eps/whatever that they can't monetize or license for whatever reason so you might want to expand your app to look at spotify for recs but factor in that even someone huge like mac miller has a ton of music not on spotify that a real fan would side-eye you for not knowing on a recommendation list.

There is so much early career music for artists you can't find on spotify that it gives people who only learned the artist from spotify a curated history of the artist.

Spotify is the disney land walled garden music app and right now Ella Langley is Minnie Mouse.

When you go camping or kayaking you can tell all the people using spotify, their playlists all blend into the same algo topping songs at some point. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they factor in how much music is cached near the cell tower at the lake I'm parked on right now to maximize profits and limit their bandwidth costs. Let's keep that Zac Brown Band pumping near the boat ramp and feed it to everyone who probably likes it anyway.

flyinghamsterabout 2 hours ago
I'm far less ambitious, but I ripped my entire 100+-disc collection to FLAC years ago. I've set up a mutant shell script/Makefile hybrid that can transcode the entire FLAC tree to whatever format du jour makes sense (Opus these days), while doing it all in parallel and using all cores (really all but one to keep the system responsive). Album art in the FLACs gets carried over along with tags.

On the LAN, the FLACs just sit in an NFS share, while on the phone, Foobar2000 works nicely with the Opus files.

Dreamiabout 3 hours ago
I have a huge collection (100-200) of CDs from a relative that I would like to store the same way. Can you explain your setup?
pkthunderabout 3 hours ago
I’d love to. I’m working off memory right now, but it’s nothing fancy.

I’ve got abcde[0] set up to handle the digitizing, navidrome[1] is set up to serve the content from a home lab server/NAS over Subsonic[2].

Play:Sub[3] is an iOS application that works with Subsonic. Just an audio receiver at this point, the app lets me “just play something” which is quite nice. Can “play a random album” for example.

Tailscale just enables this off-LAN.

Happy to give more info if you need!

[0] https://linux.die.net/man/1/abcde

[1] https://www.navidrome.org/

[2] https://www.subsonic.org/

[3] https://michaelsapps.dk/playsubapp/

this_userabout 2 hours ago
And how many CDs can you buy per month for the price of a Spotify subscription? I am not going to be spending hundreds of Euros per month on physical media, and I also value my time too much to bother with ripping and converting these, just so I can end up with a worse experience for more money, while also producing a bunch of unnecessary plastic rubbish.
1718627440about 2 hours ago
I don't understand myself, what you actually gain from constantly buying new music. Either the music is good, or it's not. If it's not it's not a loss to not buy it, and if it is it's not going to stop invoking the emotions you like it for, or intellectually demand you. You can hear the same music for hundred of times and still discover some new aspect, instrument, melody or sound, you haven't noticed yet. (if it is good)

If I would try to chase, constantly, new music, I wouldn't be able to actually listen to anything, and thus wouldn't enjoy anything at all.

(The only thing that makes sense to me, if people want to be like their peers and up to trends, so simply "listen" to new music to be able to talk like they now what's en vogue right now. But then it's hardly about the music itself and more like collecting an evergrowing checklist.)

ndriscollabout 2 hours ago
At least for a family plan ($22/mo), around 2-20 or so depending on the CD. That accumulates pretty quickly, and of course you don't have to worry about limitations like living at the same address.
10729287about 2 hours ago
This may be the main difference between consuming content and listening to music. For some people, more is not always better and the process of building a collection and putting time and energy into it is a big part of the experience.
flyinghamsterabout 2 hours ago
After ten years of Spotify subscriptions, you own nothing. Put that $12.99 or more per month into discs instead, and you'd have quite a nice music collection that's still yours ten years later.
framesetabout 3 hours ago
Last.fm is still around. Some Navidrome clients work with it, and it can point you to artists you might like.
jim180about 1 hour ago
and btw they recently went independent!
pkthunderabout 3 hours ago
Love it, but honestly I’m trying to decouple from services like this.

Although, it’s not a critical-path item..

intrasightabout 3 hours ago
You can escape algorithms by choosing what you consume, regardless of what platform you're using. I had digitized my CD collection 15 years ago. but I never listened to those. I purchase misic directly from artists (Bandcamp), I don't buy physical media. And if their stuff is also on Apple Music, that's where I listen.
sdcfgyabout 1 hour ago
I've got a lot of very good stuff that isn't on Apple Music, Spotify or Bandcamp.

YMMV

scottcorganabout 2 hours ago
100% this. The algo trap is from laziness, not from streaming.
bsoqkabout 2 hours ago
I am a "media fan" and algorithms (going back to last.fm) have make me discover so much music that it's not even funny. The idea of "escaping algorithms" is a net negative for me.
SoftTalkerabout 1 hour ago
Algorithms are fine when they serve you.

When they are serving someone else, and manipulating your attention to push promoted content instead of stuff you might actually like, or serve you ads, or track your behavior so that information can be sold, then not so much.

bsoqk32 minutes ago
Things are good when they are good for you. Things are bad when they are bad for you.

By now the Spotify algorithm has been good for me. The day it starts being bad I’ll badmouth it. It’s not the time yet.

herrherrmannabout 2 hours ago
I guess the point (at least for me) is a bit to get rid of weird intransparent algorithms that seemingly got worse over the past couple of years. Using a platform like last.fm where it’s clearer that recommendations are based on genres and similar listeners is still ok and encouraged, and probably as close to getting recommendations from real humans as possible.
vorticalboxabout 2 hours ago
When I was a teen some 20 odd years ago the “algorithm” is people you spoke to.

That said smart shuffle on Spotify has found me a lot of good music.

thomabout 2 hours ago
My experience also. I discover new music at a higher rate than even my teens when I listened to the radio every night, and went to gigs and bought CDs weekly. I still have some music I have to use my own MP3s for but I feel incredibly well served by streaming.

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