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Syttenabout 3 hours ago
Carney has quite a unique opportunity for massive public spending that would have never been popular in any other case. The US always kept Canada well enough that the economy was "good enough" with declining infrastructure and underinvestment (capital fleeing to better return in the states).

Now that he can claim to have no choice and people are really mad, then he can even force retirement funds to invest massively here through those "nationnaly important projects". If successful that would seriously boost our stagnant productivity and economy.

ahsg1298about 3 hours ago
Of course, that is what is prearranged with Trump. Trump threatens Canada, Carney has a reason to implement unpopular measures.

Trump threatens the EU, the EU has a reason to implement popular measures.

Trump is the salesman and Reality TV host, the plans are made elsewhere.

sellmesoapabout 3 hours ago
Yes it's a reflection of the WWE, a great excuse to trample indiginous lands yet again. The political class should be required to wear leotards only, this way you can know their true nature.
FLeXMurphyabout 3 hours ago
You didn't need a throwaway account for that statement. HN karma is worthless anyway.
simojoabout 3 hours ago
So many people come and give doomer statements on the reality of the US and Canada becoming increasingly at odds.

As a US citizen, I just want to add that I hope some day we can reestablish a healthy relationship with our neighbors. These articles are saddening.

i80andabout 3 hours ago
Disclaimer: I'm American

I don't see how Canada can trust us again without a major cultural and legal shift in the US. The fact is that any president can, apparently, unilaterally shred international friendships, and 30%-40% of Americans will cheer it on.

I would love a return to normalcy, but Americans need to make sure, really sure this can't happen again.

bawolffabout 3 hours ago
The real problem is not just that, but that america chose to re-elect him. One time can be dismissed as a fluke or temporary situation. The reelection showed that this will be the status quo moving forward.
palmoteaabout 3 hours ago
> The fact is that any president can, apparently, unilaterally shred international friendships, and 30%-40% of Americans will cheer it on.

That's not the problem.

The real problem is that the political establishment let things get so out of whack that someone like Trump could enjoy a large amount of support and get elected. If actual issues experienced by Americans were getting addressed in a satisfactory way, none of this would have happened.

But instead of that we got TINA and Trump.

> I would love a return to normalcy, but Americans need to make sure, really sure this can't happen again.

Easy: just repeal democracy. Make elected officials advisors at best, and vest all power in unelected officials that will uphold the status quo.

neomabout 3 hours ago
Even when Trump is gone, there will always be people like Navarro around, telling us to get the hell out of your country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBw2jXYDPJA
YZFabout 3 hours ago
I'm Canadian. (Full disclosure: an immigrant, like many others here)

Are 30%-40% of Americans really cheering for shredding of the friendship with Canada? Is that supported by some specific survey or are we just looking at approval ratings or some proxy?

Isn't this more or less normal for the USA in the broader perspective? Certainly had some very weird presidents in the past? We had things like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_movement

I feel like we're just not living in normal times. The lack of normalcy is social media, conspiracy theories, politics. This isn't simply a US-Canada relationship question and "return to normalcy" isn't really just about "how do we ensure a certain level of quality of leadership". I'm not even sure what's normal any more ;)

https://leger360.com/in-the-news-canada-us-trade-war-canadia...

https://leger360.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/OMNI_tradewa...

"Our latest survey finds that 41% of Canadians now consider the United States an enemy country, up 15 points from June 2025. At the same time, 64% say their impression of the United States would change if Donald Trump were no longer president."

I find this insane. Also the weighting towards 55+, male, Quebec, is interesting. It says something about how humans are easy to influence IMO. Not exactly a surprise I guess looking at humanity as a whole but something I would have hoped we had some immunity to in free western societies.

krunckabout 3 hours ago
> Disclaimer: I'm American

From which country?

bawolffabout 3 hours ago
As a canadian, regardless of how sad it might be, we cannot stake our livlihoods on nostalgia for a past that may never come again.
frmrtntnabout 3 hours ago
Unless that nostalgia is working in an office, not taking climate change seriously, insisting his ministers use British spelling and wear black (not brown!) shoes, or having the King read the speech from the throne.

Carney's status as some sort of visionary is a sham. Just another old fart with no new ideas.

NoMoreNicksLeftabout 3 hours ago
When your population reaches 100 million, as is the plan... how much nostalgia could there even be? 70 million of those people won't remember any previous era, because they just stepped off the plane. For that matter, what sort of livelihood could there be? Are you planning on some resurgence of Canadian manufacturing? Steel maybe? Textiles? Maybe a film industry? Will you all be lawyers?
reedf1about 3 hours ago
It won't happen in our lifetime. American's are yet to fully understand the impact, it will take 50 years or more to go back to 2024.
yostrovsabout 3 hours ago
It's not at all clear to most Americans what the consequences are. This pipeline, for example, sounds like something Americans should welcome because it will finally allow Canada to offer its oil to the world market in significant quantities. It will allow Canada to export significantly more than they do now, pushing down prices. It wasn't built until now purely because of internal Canadian environmental concerns. If Canadians think it's a good idea to now destroy vast amounts of their forest to get to some of the most difficult to process oil in the world, then that's what it is and they get to make some money as a benefit. But it doesn't seem at all like some kind of rational reaction to American foreign policy.
standardUserabout 3 hours ago
The Trump presidency, and his absurd trade wars, are deeply unpopular in the US. I'd be shocked if most Canadians don't understand this fully and see Trumpism for the personality-driven anomaly that it is.
newscluesabout 3 hours ago
The reality of trade and geography will shorten the timeframe.

Remember that the Canadians claimed to care a lot about climate change, and sending goods to Asian or Europe has a greater environmental cost than shipping to America.

Do you really think the Canadian government will stop advertising on YouTube and Facebook? The Canadian PM mainly does news with American companies...

notatoadabout 3 hours ago
as a canadian, i'd suggest that reestablishing a healthy relationship might require more than hope.

but from what i can see, the american reaction to this, even from the anti-trump crowd within america, is to basically shrug and assume that canada will quickly forgive and forget.

ocdabout 3 hours ago
Yeah, I don't think they understand that we're not "with them" either, and while ending hostilities would be viewed favorably, no one here is sympathizing with the American left either. You can only be so patient with the idea that parading around with protest signs is actually doing anything.
kriorabout 3 hours ago
> As a US citizen, I just want to add that I hope some day we can reestablish a healthy relationship with our neighbors.

Just write "Thoughts and prayers!" and save us all some time.

1298habout 3 hours ago
Political theater to increase oil production in Alberta and help the US agenda of exporting oil to Asia to allies so Hormuz can be closed.

Carney is a weasel like all of them.

11101010010001about 3 hours ago
global warming is a global problem and instead, we're all just playing the prisoner's dilemma.

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