Red Hat being phased out of existence?

Red Hat being phased out of existence?techrights.org

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Haszabout 4 hours ago

Krishna was on Norges podcast a while ago and mentioned that Red Hat would be (not his words) brought to heel with the rest of IBM. IMO, it is a version of the Broadcom/VMware playbook, boil-the-frog style.

Redhat underpins many low-visibility, very important Linux projects, and most have no idea they are doing it. For example, look at kernel committers:

https://insights.linuxfoundation.org/project/korg/contributo...

weighted by market cap, the disparity is even more severe imo.

There is more visible projects (eg Ansible) that are great, but with very lackluster monetization and little impetus for IBM to GAF.

These guys are pursuing the wrong strategy, they should be using super popular, high-mindshare projects to drive new wave of tailored business solutions leveraging existing consulting teams they already have (IBM revenue to hugely reliant on PS, 33%). Basically the largest "forward deployed eng" transition ever, backed by existing very strong open-source software and tailored (with Watson, dear god) as the "AI powered" engine to appease the shareholder gods. You would run over so many startups with poor penetration at the F2000 level.

zozbot2342 minutes ago

> Redhat underpins many low-visibility, very important Linux projects, and most have no idea they are doing it

Not sure why that would have to be an issue, IBM have their own history of significant contributions to the Linux and FLOSS communities. They're not pre-acquisition RedHat but they're not far behind either.

bonziniabout 4 hours ago

Krishna's words on the podcast you cite were: "Red Hat has not been integrated... yet. [...] Engineering in Red Hat, I actually believe given the open-source nature of Red Hat, is going to have to be its own function. So, engineering I will likely not integrate because working at their scale of open source, maybe that is one where IBM learns from them, and things that are open source should belong much more in the Red Hat methodology than ours".

Operations (HR, finance, legal, IT) has already been integrated into IBM and that's what the post is talking about. Not engineering.

kjs3about 1 hour ago

When we were purchased by IBM (admittedly it's been a while), our separate HR, finance, IT and legal groups were gone before we knew it. Engineering got integrated over the first year (when I left), but with a pretty light touch, and AFAIK took into the second year to complete. Apparently things got increasingly more "IBM-ified" over the years, but a suprising number of the core folks have stayed, so it can't be all misery. Maybe RH won't be completely crushed.

Haszabout 3 hours ago

Full video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxqrSXiRja4, 6:37 starts discussion about integration, so you can judge exactly what he says.

"The only one we have not fully fully integrated yet, and I will emphasize the "yet" is RedHat".

"on the go to market side, I really believe in full integration".

you already mentioned the engineering teams, and I do think your framing is mostly right. However, I think it unrealistic to say I am going to fully integrate back-office, fully integrate GTM, and somehow engineering is totally untouched.

sippingabonedryabout 2 hours ago

> For example, look at kernel committers

Microsoft 12 places higher than Canonical.

Going back in time 25 years and telling someone that would have been met with Doc Brown's "who's Vice President, Jerry Lewis?"

saghmabout 2 hours ago

> For example, look at kernel committers:

> weighted by market cap, the disparity is even more severe imo

What does "weighting commits by market cap" mean? Counting commits from people who work for companies with larger market cap more? Why would that be a useful metric?

elikogaabout 2 hours ago

I think the interpretation is that red hat devs are over-represented in terms of ratios compared to market cap weighting of all companies contributing to linux or similiar

htrpabout 3 hours ago

> tailored with Watson

I think you mean built with Bob

Reason07714 minutes ago

I spent a few years at Red Hat. Great company back in those days. I wonder how mucb IBM has changed it but some of my former colleagues are still there, years later, so it can’t be too bad!

It does remain one of my regrets that I cashed out my vested stock options much too soon. If I’d held on to them until the IBM buyout I would have done very well for myself!

scottyahabout 3 hours ago

They have more bargaining power now. Lots of people are scrambling to get off vmware after they raised their prices astronomically for seemingly no reason (other than they could, and a lot of groups are leaving VMs for containers). Openshift Virtualization is there with open arms to take those who haven't or won't migrate off of VMs.

Redhat can now charge a lot more and have worse service because some of their main competition now enables it. Whatever replaces kubernetes is slowly being formed and decided on, but there's easy pickings for custom solutions and consultants for now.

pelcg13 minutes ago

Why though? Isn’t RHEL fully supported and used heavily in production?

throwaway7356about 4 hours ago

Untrustworthy blog reposts Twitter message from some person?

0xbadcafebee24 minutes ago

Employees are talking about it at cons and around town. Both Hashi and RH are being slowly shuttered.

quietsegfaultabout 3 hours ago

Untrustworthy blog? This is literally IBM's modus operandi. Look at what they did to Confluent and Hashi. Confluent is seemingly decimated.

bonziniabout 3 hours ago

Well, techrights is not exactly reliable. I'd put it on the same level as the Daily Mail.

superkuhabout 1 hour ago

I used to think techrights was biased but told the truth about the biased slice of things it did cover. Then the Freenode hostile take-over happened and I was right in the middle of it and techrights lied repeatedly about it.

Techrights is not a news source. It's propaganda and full of lies.

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