52 points•cgeier•about 4 hours ago•9 comments•

9 comments

x401throawayabout 1 hour ago
I work at Proof, and we're working on x401 as a means for agentic authorization

https://x401.proof.com/spec/latest/#abstract

in a nutshell:

* a website that wants to authorize who you are (say, to book a flight or sign a waiver for go kart rental)

* the endpoint returns 401 and defines in a header what info it needs about you (over 18? you're actually John Doe? etc.)

on the proof side specifically, we're putting IAL2 verification in front of this https://pages.nist.gov/800-63-3-Implementation-Resources/63A...

pretty cool stuff, its early days but its a strong way to ensure there's a human authorizing sensitive actions an agent is taking on your behalf

0xWTF23 minutes ago
Uh, not sure I agree with your terminology - one does not authorize who you are. You authenticate yourself, certain tokens authenticate your identity with varying levels of strength (e.g. within a corporate enclave, you may have elevated authorizations if you are authenticating from a corporate device).

Authorizations are what are granted to an authenticated identity, typically with a specified scope and duration.

x401throaway5 minutes ago
thank you for the clarification - thankfully some much smarter people than I are working on the protocol aspects :)

when I say `authorize who you are` I mean to say that you're saying both "hello I am in fact john doe" and "john doe the human is also saying this is ok to do".

I think this is interesting in the lens of Muse, GrokBot, Dots, OpenClaw, etc; if my agent wanted to rent a car on my behalf, it would forcibly have to get approval from me to do so

cgeierabout 4 hours ago
Sorry for the heavy edit of the title, the original "Identity Management for Agentic AI: The new frontier of authorization, authentication, and security for an AI agent world" is much too long.
Seattle3503about 3 hours ago
I think the title should have a "2025" in it.
cgeierabout 3 hours ago
agreed and fixed

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