Gov Gavin Newsom called it a "long overdue measure to protect young Californians".

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xvxvxabout 2 hours ago
Campaigners always use examples of old men marrying young girls but that’s not common at all.

96% of children getting married were 16 or 17, and 85% of the adults marrying those children were 18-23. Not quite the horror show that campaigners push.

I agree that no one under 18 should be getting married, I just question their tactics.

Aeolunabout 2 hours ago
Yeah, I also question the distinction between a 17 year old marrying a 50 year old and an 18 year old marrying a 50 year old. Does your judgement suddenly magically get better after you turn 18?
john_strinlaiabout 2 hours ago
you have to draw the line somewhere, and 18 (or 21) is a common place to draw the line.
malfistabout 2 hours ago
> but that’s not common at all

No one is saying it's common. They're saying it shouldn't happen at all.

porkshoeabout 2 hours ago
So your concern is that the marketing of a child marriage ban shows the p95 outcome, not the p50?

Weird.

jacobolusabout 1 hour ago
It's clear to most people that a marriage between someone 50 and someone 14 is a serious power imbalance, coercive beyond the younger person's ability to consent, and nearly everyone in our society thinks it seems gross and wrong. But as far as I can tell such marriages have not been happening in California. Prior to the new law, the consent of the parents and a judge was required.

(Personally I think a marriage between someone 50 and someone 18 still seems bad. But the way our legal system works, once someone is 18 anything goes.)

It's less clear that a marriage between a 17-year-old and a 16-year-old or between a 19-year-old and a 17-year-old is inherently problematic. If, for example, the woman of such a couple gets pregnant, being married could give helpful legal protection/advantage, since most of our laws are written around the default expectation of married parents.

According to a news article from a few years ago, groups opposing a previous ban on child marriages in California included the ACLU (who claimed that it "unnecessarily and unduly intrudes on the fundamental right of marriage without sufficient cause") and Planned Parenthood (who said the law should "not impede on the reproductive rights of minors and their ability to decide what is best for them, their health and their lives").

legitsterabout 2 hours ago
> In the state, there had been no legal age to wed, allowing children to get married as long as their parents consent and a judge signs off on the nuptials.

> There was also no mechanism for people under 18 to get divorced and many girls say they were trapped in abusive and predatory relationships.

Call me misguided, but I don't necessarily see 16 year old and 20 year getting married as equally problematic as the provided examples of 30+ year age gaps.

I think the real issue people are dancing around right now culturally is that these extreme age gap relationships are beginning to make everyone feel very uncomfortable. The difference between a 17 year old and and 18 year old doesn't make them feel less gross and exploitative.

BobbyJoabout 2 hours ago
You can drive a car at 15-16 most states, which puts other people's lives in your hands. You can get married between 16 and 18 depending on the state. You can join the army, take on debt, and do pornography at 18, all three of which will completely alter your life long term. You can drink, buy a gun, or enter a casino at 21. These feel someone nonsensically ordered to me. Seems like we should just pick one age for "you can now make and be responsible for your decisions" and stop talking about all of these weird edge cases as if we need the law to deal with all of them.
Aeolunabout 2 hours ago
I mean, most of the world has settled on 18 for this.
dofmabout 2 hours ago
FWIW the situation in the UK, that the BBC doesn’t mention, is similarly muddy.

In England and Wales, since 2022, the minimum age is 18. Previously it was 16 with parental consent, which is the situation in (the rather more religious) Northern Ireland.

In Scotland the age is 16 and parental consent is not required.

So, well into the 20th century young English couples would flee across the border and get married there; most famously at Gretna Green, a town just inside the border.

Scottish marriages involving English/Welsh people under 18 are now not legal.

NordStreamYachtabout 1 hour ago
The specific age will always be controversial because laws require specificity but social norms are varied. (Quantum levels vs continuous functions.)

In some societies it's okay to marry 6-year-old girls.

Slightly more rational societies link it to puberty in the female. Indeed, their leaders have written entire books to justify such behaviour.

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