The vast majority of data centers in Europe keep information about their environmental impact secret, according to a study by Lighthouse Report in collaboration with Trouw and other European media. In the Netherlands,…

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pbasistaabout 14 hours ago
From the article:

> The European Energy Efficiency Directive (EED) obliges data centers with an installed capacity of at least 500 kilowatts (kW) to report data including their energy and water consumption. In practice, few do so, despite the directive being in effect for three years.

I do not understand how that is even possible.

If any law is supposed to have any practical impact on the society, it needs to be enforced. Otherwise it is a guideline at best, not a law.

I think what would help is for these companies to each receive strict and hefty fines for non-disclosing the electricity and water consumption data they are obliged to disclose.

I assume that after that they would report all the required data very quickly.

flirabout 14 hours ago
It's probably because directives have to be read into law at the country level.

(Directives are binding on states. They transpose them into national law, possibly adding additional clauses as it goes past (EU directives set a minimum standard, not a maximum) at which point they're binding on people.)

Nobody ever said the EU was efficient. Look for a deadline for that transposition on the original directive.

ba1afd89f34cb23about 13 hours ago
You make a very good point. However, in this case, the deadline is two years in the past. From Article 12:

> 1. By 15 May 2024 and every year thereafter, Member States shall require owners and operators of data centres in their territory with a power demand of the installed information technology (IT) of at least 500kW, to make the information set out in Annex VII publicly available, except for information subject to Union and national law protecting trade and business secrets and confidentiality.

> 2. Paragraph 1 shall not apply to data centres used for, or providing their services exclusively with the final aim of, defence and civil protection.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ%3AJOL...

pjc50about 13 hours ago
National governments kind of suck at enforcing these. In some cases, like the notorious Ireland Apple tax shelter, they may not want to enforce the rules because they feel they are benefiting from the evasion.

This kind of basic regulatory work is pretty thankless even when it's important. But I suspect the toxic politics of data centers will kick up some enforcement action sooner or later.

(Why is it so toxic? Well, the explicit promise from AI companies of mass unemployment combined with higher electricity prices, and maybe even destroy the world https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/sep/09/anthropic... is why.)

philipallstarabout 13 hours ago
> In some cases, like the notorious Ireland Apple tax shelter, they may not want to enforce the rules because they feel they are benefiting from the evasion.

I thought it turned out the EU had no business in national tax affairs.

bearjawsabout 13 hours ago
It's probably because that 500kw number is too arbitrary. I work in a single warehouse with robotics based logistics that uses 500kw. Nobody is asking us how much water we use.

Reality is if a regulation is too broad it tends to get overwhelmed and dies when it requires 100 people to enforce.

Even a basic in house data center can push 100kw with a few servers.

ExpertAdvisor01about 14 hours ago
Because it is an EU-DIRECTIVE.

Directives are not the same as regulations .

Directives are goals that must be achieved by adapting existing national laws or introducing new ones, and that takes time.

troupoabout 13 hours ago
Sadly, the EU is also lax when it comes to enforcing regulations. See GDPR.
semiquaverabout 14 hours ago
Perhaps this article is one step in the process of forcing disclosure. The Dutch parliament has recently (April 2026) clarified its law implementing the EED.
stingraycharlesabout 15 hours ago
Playing the devil’s advocate: don’t “freedom of information” laws mostly apply to government agencies? If so, why would a private company provide this information?

I personally believe at the very least the water usage is heavily overblown compared to the agriculture industry. Elecricity is a different issue, and governments should consider reporting requirements or something like that.

Being angry with datacenter providers is not the solution. And they also need to be built somewhere, and that place is probably best where electricity is abundant and/or cheap.

GuB-42about 13 hours ago
> If so, why would a private company provide this information?

Because the law says they have to.

Water usage in terms of total volume is meaningless and certainly an overblown concern on a global scale. In fact, it is not a concern at all on a global scale, but it can be a local problem. If a datacenter uses water normally intended for households and the infrastructure is not designed for this, it is definitely a problem. And that's a good reason for having to report water usage, not just to punish them, but also to plan distribution accordingly.

n4r9about 14 hours ago
> the water usage is heavily overblown compared to the agriculture industry

Data centers tend to concentrate their water usage within urban areas, causing a strain on local resources. The value of their output is much less tangible. Their water consumption scales up around tenfold if you consider the indirect usage from generating the electricity.

But on the other hand; yes, it would also help enormously if people ate less meat.

Aurornisabout 13 hours ago
> causing a strain on local resources

By “strain on local resources” are you just stating the fact that they use resources? Or are you trying to imply that it causes problems for those resources?

Companies don’t just buy land, connect to water and power, and then the utilities get caught off guard when the water system is suddenly strained by water going somewhere. There are processes for approving this before connection.

If a new project is causing a “strain on resources” then the utility planners have failed that community.

thenthenthenabout 14 hours ago
Mmm most datacenters i went to were in the middle of nowhere, sharing land with farms (and oil/gas mining)
SiempreViernesabout 14 hours ago
> But on the other hand; yes, it would also help enormously if people ate less meat.

At first you had me, but then I realised it's not true if the price is building more data centres! That was just a trick to make the climate worse! Grr /s

kemotepabout 14 hours ago
Essentially, telling people to go vegan and get rid of their golf courses is going to piss them off, hence the reaction people have to being told that datacenters are more important than their comfort.
black_puppydogabout 15 hours ago
Actually your premise is already wrong, although to be fair I'm not sure what bearing that has on the conclusion.

Here in France at least, companies can also be subject to FOIA requests for information pertaining to contracts they have with public entities. E.g. if a city publishes a tender to run tye local bike share program, then the company that gets the contract may have to directly answer (some) requests about that program.

But like I said, not sure if this applies to data centers which are, iiuc, mostly private ventures.

NDlurkerabout 14 hours ago
>And they also need to be built somewhere, and that place is probably best where electricity is abundant and/or cheap.

They don't need to be built at the scale they're being built at. That's the problem.

dansquizsoftabout 14 hours ago
Not sure why you think your finger-in-the-wind wind understanding of future AI compute demand should trump the projections of companies who actually operate in this area?

But if you do end up being correct, then the data centers in question will just sit partially or fully idle, using no / a tiny fraction of the electricity and water they could use (which as others have said on this forum, water usage concerns are massively overblown in most data center builds anyway)

MC995about 14 hours ago
> They don't need to be built at the scale they're being built at.

According to whom and by what metric? The companies investing vast amounts of capital into them seem to disagree.

sschuellerabout 14 hours ago
These are resources acquired from the governments in most places. You have to be able to plan and expand capacity which requires public funds.

I live right next to a waste valorisation plant[1]. They have to exactly specify what amount of water they use and what amount of water they then send out to the waste water treatment facility. It also has to be clean to a very specific standard before it leaves which is also checked.

We have datacenters in Switzerland too, but very little outrage or debate because there are strict rules in place in most places. They can build all they want but it costs significantly more to meet environmental requirements.

The valorisation plant next to my home has water cooling tower/fans significantly oversized just to make sure the noise is keep under the required level.

[1] https://stefan.schueller.net/posts/kva-winterthur/

unglaublichabout 14 hours ago
They refuse it because if they would say "1 million liters a year!" the knee-jerk reaction will be completely predictable even though that's just tiny compared to a small swimming pool or industrial or agricultural site.

The debate is completely based on emotion and anger right now, so sharing information will only give the emotional/angry folks more mud to throw with. The majority of people has no clue about how to put things like energy use and water use in perspective, and they're also not interested in doing that. Because they have decided to green-wash their AI-fears as environmental fears... which is a big fat joke because datacenters aren't significant polluters or consumers compared to almost all other industries.

Look, I get it, many people are afraid of the societal impacts of AI, or distrust it in another way. But let's be honest and focus on _that_ instead of naively acting as if our anti-datacenter sentiment comes from environmental concerns (the last few decades have shown we don't GAF about the environment).

yourusernameabout 14 hours ago
>Look, I get it, many people are afraid of the societal impacts of AI, or distrust it in another way.

In the Netherlands it is not just about AI datacenters, even before the rise of AI pushback against Meta's planned datacenter made them cancel it. There has been a lot of criticism of the municipality that allowed Microsoft to expand its datacenters. The argument is that this is a small country that already has to make tradeoffs to get to its desired energy mix (wind turbines near cities on land) and then these datacenters are built that consume the power that is generated by sacrificing the little remaining open space. In the last few years there is actually a electricity shortage in some regions so "we can hook up this 200 MW datacenter but not your house" is a bad look.

pbasistaabout 14 hours ago
> They refuse it because ...

It is completely irrelevant why they choose to refuse to provide this information.

From what I understand, disclosing this data is not optional. It is a law. And if they have willfully chosen to operate in a country where such a law applies, they have to obey that law.

Aurornisabout 13 hours ago
> From what I understand, disclosing this data is not optional. It is a law.

That is not corrective. There is an EU directive, but it would have to be adopted as local law to become actual law.

The datacenters are following the laws in their jurisdiction.

goda90about 14 hours ago
If they are taking reasonable steps to mitigate consumption and pollution then they should be able to clearly explain that to the public. The fact they won't suggests they aren't.

Just because people haven't cared about the environment before doesn't mean they shouldn't start now. And just because there are worse existing polluters doesn't mean we shouldn't resist new ones.

A new golf course used to be seen as a great thing to have in your back yard and now we know their pesticide use increases the risk of Parkinson's. People are waking up and caring more. We need to have a sustainable society, not a profit obsessed one.

ckdarbyabout 14 hours ago
HN has never been friendly to comments like this, have you ever tried explaining something clearly to an emotionally triggered crowd? There are many examples, masks, vaccines, gun laws...
fullsharkabout 13 hours ago
Most of it comes from concerns about water and electricity rates sky rocketing and also simply not being available when humans need it. At least at the local level.
thelittlenagabout 13 hours ago
Maybe I'm being naive, but the policies needed here feel quite simple.

First, since data centers likely need some kind of treated (i.e. demineralized) water, and they want to use local municipal supplies, then they can do so only if they pay full market rate for that water. I would push for them to pay 1% to 5% above market rate to help offset other costs, but market rate at minimum. At no point should homeowners and/or residential customers subsidize this usage.

Second, commercial users (including data centers) should only get water produced by treatment plants in excess of residential needs. Plants can only treat so much, pipes can only carry so much, and priority goes to residential first.

Third, ground water is off limits for any commercial/industrial evaporative cooling uses. If data centers want to cool that way, then they need a different source of water.

Did I miss anything?

malvimabout 13 hours ago
Well, even if you're right, try proposing those bills and then reckon with the deafening wails of the "free-market-big-government-taxation-is-theft" crowd. And the politicians that are in the pockets of BigCo that will say that kind of stuff.

Policies are simple a lot of times. Politics against the interest of big money isn't.

devolving-devabout 12 hours ago
If they pay market rate, the clearing price will go up making things more expensive for everyone. If they go off-grid they make the machines needed to produce water or electricity or whatever more expensive. If they borrow money, they make government bond yields go up and cause governments to start thinking about cutting pensions and stuff, not to mention increased mortgage rates for whoever wants to buy a home or is on a variable rate mortgage. There's no world in which this AI stuff doesn't increase costs for the rest of us.
throwfaraway4about 12 hours ago
They need to pay for the infrastructure upgrades to water and electric when it inevitably exceeds capacity
boplicityabout 12 hours ago
The main thing is evaporative cooling is incredibly wasteful. The water should be returned to the system, if it's going to be used, and not sent into the atmosphere. This is especially important in regions with limited access to water, which, ironically, is where many data centers seem to be located.
ExpertAdvisor01about 14 hours ago
I think it would be helpful for people in this thread to understand the differences between EU Regulations and Directives :

• EU Regulation: A binding legal act that applies immediately and identically in all EU countries as soon as it takes effect, without needing national laws.

• EU Directive: A legislative act that sets a mandatory goal that all EU countries must achieve, but allows each nation to pass its own laws to implement it.

It takes time for directives to take effect, unless a member state's national law already implements them.

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