The Million Dollar Highway, prone to rockfall and avalanches, is the site of horrific crashes and courageous rescues. Why doesn’t anyone want to fix it?

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seemaze1 day ago
"The motorized tourist, reluctant to give up his back-assward view of the world, demands that the park administration pave the trails, clear out the brush, and put up guard rails... he wants luxury and convenience, and he gets it—at the cost of the wilderness."

--Edward Abbey, Desert Solitaire

seemaze1 day ago
If that strikes a chord with you, please take a moment to consider the following message:

https://morethanjustparks.com/roadless-rule/

rafram1 day ago
Abbey was spot on when it comes to roads through parks, but this isn't really that - it begins in farmland and Ute reservation land, then climbs into the managed woodlands of the San Juan National Forest, mostly lined by towns and ski resorts. It also is the only connection between a number of towns. The wilderness area is off to the east.
dtagames1 day ago
There's a lot of dangerous infrastructure in America. This is far from the only road that causes accidents and deaths on the regular because it is in inherently unsafe or was designed for different kinds of traffic than it has now.

The fact that this road was built in the previous century makes it part of that second category.

In general, we seem unwilling to invest in American road infrastructure. I'd be willing to bet that potholes, the unexciting normal kind you don't even notice in a car, cause more loss of life and loss of money than any particular dramatic road.

splicebot1 day ago
US invests lavishly in road infrastructure by any measure. The idea that the US underinvests is contrarian to say the least. If it doesn't seem like the infra is any good that's in large part because of the huge Anglosphere infra cost multiplier and the fact that there is so much existing to maintain.
dtagamesabout 23 hours ago
Assuming here that you don't live in the US.
paleotrope1 day ago
Anglosphere cost multiplier is an interesting way to put it.
BariumBlue1 day ago
Problem is that the Federal Highway Association only spends for new projects, not routine maintenance (please check me on that though).

Therefore cities who need maintenance done will bundle routine maintenance they can't afford with expansion (lane expansion, streamlining). This lets them access federal dollars they wouldn't otherwise get.

Over decades, this has created a lot of infrastructure that isn't financially responsible as stuff has just gotten built and built and built. The ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers) always grades the overall US as a "C" or worse for maintenance.

Part of the problem is that building things is sexy, maintaining them is harder and not sexy. Lotta money and focus on new stuff, maintenance is a secondary concern.

I would not say that is not completely true. Your state Department of transportation is probably the biggest spender anmong other state agencies. The healthcare Leviathan is only thing that could be bigger. I think it’s important to keep in mind that the surface transportation network in the United States is massive. We also have roads serving mere handfuls of predominantly agricultural users (still critical to food supply).

Building roads is expensive, and they don’t last forever. A good asphalt surface may be service worthy for 20 years. A ton of asphalt outside of California may cost in the ballpark of $150 to install. A 2 inch lift of asphalt will cover not quite 10 sqyd. So you can see how expensive this gets when we’re talking about thousands of miles.

I think it’s worth considering how policies may destroy much of the demand for roadways. Personally, I could imagine a future wear personal private transportation is basically unlawful or artificially expensive.

altruios1 day ago
not all infrastructure should be maintained. I'd personally prefer rail infrastructure prioritized over car roads.

But maintaining current infrastructure in the meantime while we build better things is good too. Let's just not lose the plot on what needs to happen next.

zamadatix1 day ago
Maintenance isn't the same discussion as decommissioning or replacement. If you want to talk about rail just say that's what you want to talk about without the setting up the awkward connection.
dtagamesabout 23 hours ago
Which is?

I think what needs to happen now (not next) is fix the roads truckers drive on. I'm not one one of them but everything in America depends on them and we're making them drive unsafe roads.

Go out in an RV, big truck, or trailer and you'll see what these guys deal with on top of diesel prices, some of which is tax for road repair!

dylan6041 day ago
If they fix the potholes, imagine the damage to the mechanic economy for no longer needing to replace tires/wheels, fix suspensions, etc. The mechanic lobby is never going to let this happen!!
bluGill1 day ago
They do fix potholes. However new ones happen all the time so there are always plenty to find with a little working.

At least where I live potholes are the natural result of freeze-thaws cycles.

jtbayly1 day ago
My family was driving this road south from Ouray to Durango one morning when I was about 20. We got stuck in a traffic jam. Eventually we made it to the place where a car had gone over the edge the night before, and they were trying to winch it up about 1000 feet. Papers and belongings were scattered down the mountainside. It was very sad and sobering. Driving back that night in light rain was terrifying.
LostMyLogin1 day ago
I drive this road regularly in the winter for backcountry skiing and I truly think there are scarier roads. Sure there is a terrifying cliff but in general it's not bad if you simply drive to the conditions.

The ten miles or so on the Aspen side of Independent Pass, when leaving town, is so much worse. It feels like a true single lane road at points with a huge cliff on one side that has the road caving in.

The highways are never a problem. However "scary" the highways are in any given place the local roads are worse and people's driveways are worse still.

So of course nobody cares about two cars a year going off a cliff on the federal highway when ten cars a year go off a cliff on the road that's the local shortcut between the center of town and Walmart in the next valley or whatever.

LostMyLogin1 day ago
> The highways are never a problem. However "scary" the highways are in any given place the local roads are worse and people's driveways are worse still.

I've driven sketchy roads all over the world and the stretch just after you break out of the aspen outskirts on Independent Pass is genuinely terrifying at parts. For a while there it was not uncommon, if two large vehicles were passing, to have a section of your right front wheel barely over the cliff as there was a part of the outer edge line missing because the road caved in.

exabrial1 day ago
Probably because it doesn't need to be fixed. Not every complaint requires government intervention, which we've often see is more expensive and problematic then anything it actually solves.

Pro tip: Take a different route, or drive 15mph.

justinator1 day ago
SlimyHog1 day ago
Just slow down then....
LostMyLogin1 day ago
Everyone is already driving 15mph on it because for so many people it's a tourist attraction.
freejazz1 day ago
Sorry, you're saying that people should just let the free market decide the issue of a gov't provided road? How does that make sense?

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