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OMFG! Look at the massive amount of space between the stupid pill shaped tabs - this is the exact opposite of what I want as a tab hoarder! If I wanted to use a shitty safari UI that sacrifices usability for cutesy looks, I would use Safari.

I am still having to use an extension (Sidebery) because Firefox failed to implement vertical tabs half as good. On my MBP, I have two rows of small panel icons to switch between 2 rows of 8 different categories of tabs (16 panels). Below that, I have 3 rows of pinned tabs on each panel (24 pinned tabs). Below that, I can see 24 open tabs without scrolling. That's 48 visible tabs per panel and with a single panel click, I can see a different set of 48 tabs. That makes a total of 768 tabs accessible via a single click. [edit] I should add that I can see 32 characters of the tab title so it is easy to know at a glance what the tab is about. [/edit] Now that is an amazing UI/UX - not some designer pill shaped tabs (that Safari has had for years).

Mozilla: why in the hell do I need to trust some extension builder to give me an amazing UI/UX? Instead of copying Apple's bad decisions - innovate!

p.s. I don't get why in the hell anyone who has more than 10 tabs open at once isn't using vertical tabs? Especially when most monitors have more horizontal pixels than vertical.

FeloniousHam1 day ago
> why in the hell do I need to trust some extension builder to give me an amazing UI/UX?

Because you're a "long tail case" tab user? Your case might be the poster boy for an active extension ecosystem that caters to niche needs.

I don't buy that. I would guess there are plenty of "joe/jane users" that are tab hoarding using horizontal tabs because they don't know better. Since Sidebery already built it, it would be reasonably easy for mozilla to implement a vertical tabs solution that matches its functionality and would seem innovative as hell to joe/jane. Instead, they decide to copy Apple's bad UI/UX.

Setting my browser up the way I did was a serious PITA and it didn't have to be.

vvarp1 day ago
Sideberry is GOAT, nothing can beat its flexibility.

I wouldn’t really expect base experience to match what it offers, so as long as Firefox doesn’t break extensions for power users, I am more than happy to see them experimenting with stuff that could help to win back some of the audience.

JohnFen1 day ago
> so as long as Firefox doesn’t break extensions for power users

You mean, as long as they don't break them any more than they did a few years back? Yes, I'm still salty about that loss.

But to your point, I agree with you. The native Firefox UI hasn't been one I loved for many years, and isn't getting any better. But I am still able to (mostly) massage it into something I'm OK with. As long as I can do that, then I'm fine with them doing whatever they need to do with the default look-and-feel.

swed4201 day ago
> Mozilla: why in the hell do I need to trust some extension builder to give me an amazing UI/UX?

Because Mozilla is basically owned by Google, neither of them care about you or your UX, and Ladybird isn't ready yet.

{Adding to my above discussion} I installed the update on another macbook that's not my daily driver and browser.nova.enabled defaulted to false. Maybe because I have Sidebery? I switched to true and it didn't mess anything up, just added some strange minimal rounding to things. Whew. Keeping it off, but relieved that I can update the SW...
n4bz0r1 day ago
The UI was tidy and nearly perfect, now it's all over the place: weird paddings, different border radiuses even within a single element, clashing background colors, and boy, do I love rainbow gradients everywhere.

Update: for those unhappy with the changes, you can roll them back for now:

  about:config -> browser.nova.enabled -> false
jsrcout1 day ago
I'm glad we can roll it back, but wonder how long that will be the case.
romanovcode1 day ago
I cannot find a setting to disable the gradient. It's very annoying indeed.
coldpie1 day ago
You can browse the Themes to try to find one you like better. But yeah it'd be nice if one of the default built-in themes was super plain. Closest they have available by default is a grayscale gradient ("Ash").
supermatou1 day ago
Here you go: add this to your userChrome.css file.

/disable gradient

/ 1. Remove the toolbar/tab bar gradient completely /

:root:not([theme-image-in-toolbox]) body,

:root[theme-image-in-toolbox] #navigator-toolbox {

    background-image: none !important;
}

/ 2. Strip Nova purple accent color/focus outlines from the URL & search bar */

:root {

    --toolbar-field-focus-background-color: var(--toolbar-field-background-color) !important;
}

.urlbar-input-container, #searchbar {

    --toolbar-field-border-color-focus: var(--toolbar-field-border-color) !important;

    box-shadow: none !important;

}
n4bz0r1 day ago
The gradient is part of the theme. Updated the post with how to roll back the UI changes for now. After rolling back, select an old theme.
alsetmusic1 day ago
I just turned off auto-updates after reading this. Safe for now.
hattar1 day ago
I wish Firefox would stop rolling out redesigns, color themes, and other visual tweaks every couple years and instead focus on features and bugs.

Improve Adblock capabilities, better tab and session management, improve sync, improve site css and js management, built in dark-mode.

Hell, just look at the list of most used extensions, it’s a great place to start understanding what users want.

sunaookami1 day ago
They should also improve the bookmarks and history UI, it's unusable. They redesigned the history sidebar now and it takes a lot longer to show up...
OnionBlender1 day ago
The Add Bookmark popup is so small and cramped trying to choose which folder to place the new bookmark.
glenstein1 day ago
>and instead focus on features and bugs

Who says they don't? They've pushed 23 new releases since 2025 with thousands of updates that include exactly the bug fixes, performance improvements and security fixes you're talking baout. This latest release, v157, includes the built in dark mode you're asking about (I just saw it on the popup on first launch when installing this new version) and the release notes describe improvements to tabs. v156 included huge performance improvements and they're regularly pushing tons of CSS updates across practically all of the releases.

I don't understand why people claim these things aren't happening when they're regularly documented on their release notes page.

zawaideh1 day ago
A lot of what you are asking for is already there.
coldpie1 day ago
> built in dark-mode

It has built-in dark mode, check out the Themes in your settings.

glenstein1 day ago
Right, I had an option to choose it (I think I chose device default, though I'm not exactly sure what it means on Windows but I assume it's like "system theme" on Android).

The whiplash from seeing that selectable on my screen to seeing someone claim it's not there in the same 60 seconds is really something.

hattar1 day ago
Yes, I could have been more precise. It has a poor dark mode implementation that doesn’t allow per-page toggling (unless I’m missing something). A lot of the things I mentioned are half baked. In my opinion, properly building those features should be higher priority than the bi-annual theme update.
they can't focus on adblock because most of their money comes from google
TheqO1 day ago
Yup. They can only offer limited built-in protection due to their revenue source, but important to note that unlike Chrome they don't dictate on what extensions can offer.

So they are practically speaking the only game in town (Brave being the exception on Chrome as they are keeping support for UBlock Origin)

Firefox Nightly on Android also allows desktop extensions to be used.

thetallgeek1 day ago
I want the page headings to look like tabs, not pills. You don't have to be different for the sake of it
serbuvlad1 day ago
It's not different, it's just what Apple is doing (Safari uses pills).

In fact, I propose that all computer User Interface design proceeds as:

    D(s) = (1 / (c * s + 1)) * (A(s) + N(s))
Where c is some constant, A is what Apple is doing and N is random noise.
cosmic_cheese1 day ago
I daily drive multiple Apple products, but this is one of those things where I disagree with Cupertino. I find that pill-tabs are bad design and that the way they mesh with Liquid Glass is strange. Tabs should look like tabs.
Safari does almost everything wrong. They’re not a good role model.
gray_-_wolf1 day ago
Out of curiosity, if you use the split view, why? I never understood what it can do that my window manager cannot, but maybe I am overlooking something?
bitmasher91 day ago
I do it sometimes for highly related work (referencing on tab against the other) that will be a longer running task (30+ minutes).

It means that both tabs get maximized and minimized at the same time, and the two tabs are always side by side. Which means if I need to jump to another task, like answering a message or joining a video call, I can get back to my work faster. It’s a small thing that helps with context switching.

I do it when I consider both side of the Split View one unified context I am working on. I do it not only with browser tabs, but sometimes terminal tabs. I most commonly do it with IDE tabs.

yoz-y1 day ago
Sometimes is just nice to have a tab related to an activity, which might involve having two web sites open
cosmic_cheese1 day ago
I don’t use split view much, but I can understand the appeal.

It makes a lot of sense if one uses subject-based browser windows (e.g. 1 window == 1 subject); it keeps all tab organization within the browser and makes it easy to minimize it, move it to different screens/desktops, save/restore it, etc consistently with less overhead (no secondary organization system [such as that of the window manager] involved).

This becomes even more valuable for cross-platform users who sync and can’t rely on their favorite uberleet-haxor-wm package being available everywhere.

zamadatix1 day ago
I suppose that depends what your window manager is and how it's configured? Most don't have an easy way to lock two windows together as they are moved as one though - especially on corporate devices.

Practically, it's most useful when I have two references for the same thing I want to move together as I work on that thing. E.g. Jira + Functional Spec as I do things related to them.

johncoltrane1 day ago
The big selling point is that everything stays in the same window.

- The split view is a special looking tab you can come too easily. - You can have several split views in the same window. - Selecting what tab you want in the split view is much cleaner than tearing off tabs into windows. - No conceptual switch between "tab" and "window".

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