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_davide_1 day ago
Not going back to anthropic as i love the alignment of 5.6 sol, but I'll start looking around
walthamstow2 days ago
> we guarantee that over time you always get more work done and with an increasing level of quality

or your money back?

sscaryterry2 days ago
Its pure theft. Changing the rules.
cyanydeez1 day ago
>theft

Capitalism. It's spelled capitalism. I do not understand why people confuse capitalism with theft.

trilogic2 days ago
What blow my mind is the fact that 20/30 dollar subscription is not enough to sustain the business? Pushing for 200 dollars subscription to keep afloat with it. If like claimed there are 1 billion users and 10% do the 30usd/month means 1 dollar/day x 100 million. How is that not enough to maintain this prices? Then you have all the inside business happening (users data, targeted ads, worldwide insights and intelligence, even monopoly of narrative) which would be your real passive income profit.

Users dont use all the time the service so they compensate each-other with power users. So for now getting from users at least 36B/year making an estimate evaluation of 360B (other incomes included, evaluation goes up to near a trillion). Be happy team you are the only one that you made it, but is enough one mistake in this house of cards. Again struggling to understand this logic even though you have access to the best intelligence in the world...

preommr1 day ago
Because it's not 10%, it's ~25mn (tibo kept putting out resets at major milestones). It was like 4mn a few months ago.

The api margins are like 70%-90% (depending on who you ask, and not taking into account r&d), even lower with luna and their recent cuts. The subscription is even worse because they often use it as a loss leader for building hype at releases.

trilogic1 day ago
>It was like 4mn a few months ago Do you have any source for it? If what you say is true it mean OpenAI is in big trouble (with revenue just a couple of hundreds of millions, far, very far from 1 billion monthly). You got my attention, but very hard to believe that.
alpineman1 day ago
That's just not enough dollar volume to pay for all the inference, data center buildout, training, salary costs to compete with Meta etc etc. They also need to pay for the inference of the 98% of users who don't pay anything but use the models, that's essentially a marketing cost.
thimabi1 day ago
But Meta until very recently offered its services mostly for free, on a gigantic scale, paid for by ads. Now OpenAI has subscription revenue, API revenue, and ads revenue too. The fact that OpenAI isn’t financially sustainable makes me think it hasn’t really mastered its business yet.
8cvor6j844qw_d62 days ago
"it will net out at half the dollar in API spend compared to the old Pro $200 plan"

So effectively 50% less usage.

glub2 days ago
Codex $200 usage was already lower than $200 of Claude for around 2 months now. Half of that means that subscription is not really worth it unless you max things out all the time. But if you're going to go with API rates, there are better priced options out there than whatever OpenAI provides.

This is a risky strategy for OpenAI, and time will tell how will this work. But my hunch is that this is a catastrophic blunder.

I was listening to Dario's podcast where he was talking about how the entire game is in predicting extremely well how much compute you buy in advance, and if you miscalculate, it's pretty much over.

Looks like OpenAI miscalculated.

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