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maeln2 days ago
> a departure celebrated as a victory by Iran and its allies who now have deep influence in the country where 4,500 Americans died during more than two decades of war.

Kind of crazy to lead with this. Talking about the Americans victims (mostly military) and ignoring the local Iraqi victims (mostly civilians).

mariuolo2 days ago
> Kind of crazy to lead with this. Talking about the Americans victims (mostly military) and ignoring the local Iraqi victims (mostly civilians).

Perhaps you will remember the Taguba report on Abu Ghraib, when a superior of his suggested he let it go because they were "only Iraqis".

GJim2 days ago
> Talking about the Americans victims (mostly military) and ignoring the local Iraqi victims (mostly civilians)

You forgot to add that in 20 years time, America will go back to Iraq to make a film about how killing Iraqis made thier soldiers feel sad.

This is standard US procedure.

wickedsickeune2 days ago
Do you mean The Hurt Locker? They didn't even wait 10 years!
apexalpha2 days ago
Don't worry they also make films celebrating the passion behind the killings like American Sniper
LtWorf2 days ago
I had a coworker who is a refugee from iraq. He used to say "we had schools, roads and hospitals, now we have none of that but we have democracy".
trentor2 days ago
It’s an article about us forces leaving Irak seems reasonable to talk about how many they lost during the time they were there…
blitzar2 days ago
It would be inappropriate to talk about how many women and children they dismembered in their eulogy
morkalork1 day ago
4,500 Americans and how many civilians?
throwaw122 days ago
Unfortunately, millions of lives lost, another millions started hating US for what it did to their families.

I am curious what did the world gain from this?

UpsideDownRide2 days ago
World? What would make you think this was ever about the world and not very particular interests?
rainworld2 days ago
For the US, oil money (in Dollars) and control over Iraq: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/why-does-the-us-control-i...

For Israel, oil from Kurdistan: The revival of the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline fell through but Turkey stepped in to enable transport.

For both, the neutralization of a regional actor. The chaos that also weakened its neighbors. Eventually, the destruction of Syria. A base and flight path to attack Iran.

artisinal2 days ago
Europe gained millions of refugees / cheap labour.
vincnetas2 days ago
is this sarcasm?
hasviolence1 day ago
every president has their pointless war for israel quota
meowface2 days ago
Why is this article written like an op-ed, despite being Reuters?

I am not even necessarily disagreeing with it (I lean very anti-Iran and slightly geopolitically neoconservative) but the tone is not at all neutral and makes no mention of the possible downsides of troops staying in Iraq after decades.

fsh2 days ago
The article summarizes interviews with various interest groups in the region. Exactly what you would expect from a news agency like Reuters.
meowface2 days ago
It does, but it feels like every paragraph is inserted to fit only one thesis.
dmurray2 days ago
Shouldn't there be some quotes from the US leadership? Normally this would be a chance to claim a military victory, a "mission accomplished".

Perhaps the US are trying not even to acknowledge it. A reputable newspaper would normally include "the Department of War was contacted for comment" but maybe that's not appropriate for Reuters.

actionfromafar2 days ago
It is?

It reports on some reactions.

mahboi2 days ago
The beginning of the summary, which isn't a reaction, says "worst US war of 21st century"
latexr2 days ago
> I lean (…) slightly geopolitically neoconservative

We have too many labels. That’s not good for a species which hates others based on different labels.

Edit: I should’ve expressed that this was a general thought triggered by the comment but it’s not a direct criticism of the person making it.

meowface2 days ago
I don't support the Iran War but I do support global US hegemony because I believe the other two possible candidates, China and Russia, would be worse. And I think retaliation against Iran for their massacre of protesters was morally warranted, even if that was only a pretext for the war by Trump rather than an actual moral consideration, and even if moral merit alone does not justify major intervention or war.

"Slightly geopolitically neoconservative" is the short way to describe that.

shevy-java2 days ago
I somewhat agree - not necessarily with your content here, but that the article is written ... strangely.

For instance:

> US forces leave country where 4,500 of them died in worst US war of 21st century

I am not even certain that this war was worse than the Afghanistan war. Perhaps the Iraq war was objectively worse, but since the sudden withdrawal in Afghanistan, leaving the Taliban in charge, I am not so sure which war was worse. I am not even sure how to qualify it, so Reuters stating this was the worst war is ... indeed a strange label to use. Wasn't Reuters indeed more objective in the past? And with that I mean objective at all times, not white-washing or black-washing.

I now finished reading the article and it indeed seems op-ed. The reader now thinks that the war against Iran must continue. I still fail to understand why the USA invaded the area. Other than some making enormous profits, of course. If 911 was used as a rationale, why was not Saudi Arabia attacked?

arrrg2 days ago
I also tripped over that line but I think it’s content is very specific and the number of deaths is the clue: in terms of deaths the Iraq war is definitely the worst war of the US in the 21st century. You have to very literally read that line. And in that context that claim makes sense: In terms of deaths the Iraq war was the worst war.

Now, there are certainly other axis along which you can judge a war.

Arainach2 days ago
The US had a clear reason to be in Afghanistan. It was a brutal quagmire with thousands of deaths (and many more Afghani deaths), but one could at least argue there was purpose in the beginning.

Iraq was 4500 dead for one Texan trying to imitate daddy while listening to his CEO buddies.

watwut2 days ago
United States lost a total of 2,459 military personnel in Afghanistan. It had less military deaths.
esseph1 day ago
> > US forces leave country where 4,500 of them died in worst US war of 21st century

> I am not even certain that this war was worse than the Afghanistan war

The Iraq war from 2003-2011 (8-9 yr) had twice as many US troop deaths (4430) as the Afghanistan war (~20 yr)(2450) in double the amount of time.

rjzzleep2 days ago
Usually when the US forces exit a theater it's a prelude to war, like the Afghanistan withdrawal was so that they couldn't be retaliated against. I caution people not to get too excited about this.
21asdffdsa122 days ago
The whole region is a energy drain for any empire involved. When the empire-exits, all the regional empire start butchering one another. Usually this is start of a culling of the locals by other locals. There is a reason people in empire border regions (balcans) are at each others throats 24/7.
mahboi2 days ago
This was agreed upon during Biden's term.
nomilk2 days ago
> (the) departure (is) celebrated as a victory by Iran and its allies who now have deep influence in the country

Although the Iraq war was based on a lie and caused tremendous suffering, it did demonstrate the US's willingness and capability to handle a brash dictatorship. In this sense, at least at a macro level, it has tempered (as opposed to emboldened) other dictatorships like Iran and North Korea.

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