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nonethewiser2 days ago
We already have a window into the future.

- Anthropic told everyone Mythos was dangerous because it's proficiency with biologics and cyber security

- Anthropic didn't release Mythos like everything else. They released a neutered fable. They didn't get rid of Mythos

- Anthropic opens a lab in SF

There was always a quesiton of "will the labs stop releasing their models and start building around them instead?" Yes - they already have. Anthropic is a biologic and cyber security company, in addition to intelligience.

Personally I wonder if they've been holding back a lot. Opus 5.5 was a good release after a little stagnation. Open AI releases good models and everyone says Anthropic sucks and -- Oh would you look at that - a better model finally and all of a sudden.

WarmWash2 days ago
The way it is right now is to build giga-monster models, use those internally to boost yourself, and distill them down into lighter consumer models.

Apparently OAI is already building GPT7 and GPT8

pvab32 days ago
with how much competition, benchmaxxing, and increased compute for inference, I can't imagine that they are intentionally nerfing their own public models for any reason other than that they can't figure out how to package it into something the public can use. The training data for all these frontier models goes well into 2026 at this point.
jbs7892 days ago
Either that or they are throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks ahead of the IPO. After all, if solving all diseases is the “total addressable market” then that sure helps.

Time will tell.

chrisjj2 days ago
> Either that or they are throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks

Now we know what this is: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Claude_AI_symbol.svg

downrightmike2 days ago
But insurance companies do not want to cure things, not profitable. So that revenue is just not going to work, insurance will not cover it.
siliconc0w2 days ago
It's pretty frustrating to do cyber security work and not have access to the best models. OAI is a little more liberal here and I was able to get access to daybreak-blue but I have to use the lesser last-generation models. Essentially this gives a small number of orgs a huge advantage in the 'application layer' for that domain (including OAI or ANT themselves).
bpodgursky2 days ago
Yes, both labs already have monstrous internal teacher models they don't sell for inference, this is generally acknowledged. They cut releases for the public just to keep revenues growing, it's not their actual frontier.
sowhat12 days ago
Ok. Given this hypothesis, why is the software they release generally considered crappy by competitor standards, benchmarks, and open source standards?

Claude Code is an awful codebase, has leaked its own source code multiple times, and scores the worst on number of tokens burned vs pass rate percentages.

Is anyone even using their Figma competitor?

throwaway274482 days ago
Their cyber security seems to be a much more materially interesting (and likely profitable) business than "intelligence". Unfortunately they've created a sort of mutually-assured-destruction racket where they take payments from both "sides" of any secured boundary.

I'm not holding my breath for the biology side of things, but I suppose it's possible they find interesting things.

yesbabyyes2 days ago
> I'm not holding my breath for the biology side of things

Well, that's the thing--perhaps we should be.

teravor2 days ago
I always found it odd that people who are intelligent enough to work in IQ-loaded fields are as easily manipulated by either rhetoric or ideology as anyone else.

growing up I always assumed that everyone would grasp some aspect of game theory intuitively, I still remember the day I found out game theory was a thing - it was like finding out that someone successfully systematized common sense.

most people take the things people say as if they were worth considering. signals without cost are only useful as knowledge of what the signaler wants fools to believe.

boc2 days ago
> I still remember the day I found out game theory was a thing - it was like finding out that someone successfully systematized common sense.

Game Theory as a field is actually very complex and often reveals dominant strategies that would never occur to someone as the "common sense" approach to a problem. It was arguably created to solve for problems where there was no obvious correct answer, even for a very intelligent person.

whatshisface2 days ago
The world is not full of idiots, rather communication channels are heavily managed to prevent people from establishing consensus around the obvious.

No matter how many people think press release X is obviously wrong - 80%, 95, 99% - it'll always be "the comments section criticizing the article," or "bloggers sharing incisive criticism."

XorNot2 days ago
That rather implies the world is full of idiots.

If you know how your emotions and opinions and neurology can be used against you and don't use that to inform your media consumption habits then that's just stupid.

There's no safe way to watch propaganda. There isn't even a safe way to watch it secondarily: an endless stream of debunking videos pretty quickly still does the main thing propaganda needs: repeats the core message.

WarmWash2 days ago
A lot (a lot) of people intuitively understand something, but throw it out because it doesn't align with how they want (or need) things to be.

It seems even otherwise intelligent people will cultivate as much ignorance as possible to try and bend reality.

sifar1 day ago
Perhaps it stems from the the mind projection fallacy[1] (your comment is an example of this :) ) where in these people are so enamored by the rhetoric that they fail to consider the underlying game theory involved which needs second or even third order thinking. This needs some self awareness.

I would say much of the futility of debate and discussion originates from [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_projection_fallacy

forshaper2 days ago
I assume it is easier to manipulate someone who lives in symbols than someone who lives in dirt.
TeMPOraL2 days ago
Depends on the angle. It's easy to manipulate someone once you exceed their ability to keep up with you. People "living in symbols" aren't easy to manipulate about easy things, but you can ramp up complexity until they lose track and accept an unwarranted reasoning leap without realizing it.

With people "living in dirt", you can't pull that off because you'll jump ahead so far they'll immediately realize they can't possibly understand what you're selling right now, and shut the argument down. But they can get confused about things outside their direct area of direct experience.

Note: I'm not saying either is smarter or less smart. Rather, "living in symbols" get confused "higher up", while "living in dirt" get confused "low and to the sides", but they probably have more solid grounding.

edmundsauto2 days ago
I think it’s more precise to say it’s easier to change the mind of someone who lives in symbols than who lives in dirt. Whether that is changing their mind for the better (oh new maths proof, I’d better update my priors) or the worse.
daymanstep2 days ago
Surely it depends on what you're trying to do? If someone is deeply knowledgeable about how AI works, then it will be difficult to fool them with misinformation about the capabilities of AI. Someone who knows very little about AI will be more likely to have misconceptions about AI.
krat0sprakhar2 days ago
> The motivations of people building the AI's are not the same as the people in charge of the labs. Looking at the last few years, has been a one-way door from OpenAI to Anthropic, and the main reason does not seem to be better compensation or even them winning, but mainly the fact they advertised to these employees that they would be the most careful when building this magic lamp. Their stance around 2023 / 2024 was one of the key reasons they were able to attract this talent.

> If recent news is to be believed, Anthropic culture even today seems to lean heavily on this effect

> In my opinion it has been the leading factor in getting and retaining the best employees who are often very worried about humanity dying to super intelligence.

I had not considered this viewpoint but this makes a lot of sense. A lot of Anthropic employees truly believe this and callout emphasis on safety as a key reason they work there. Now, Dario's post "Pacing the frontier" makes even sense -- it is as much for his employees than it is for the rest of the world.

redwood2 days ago
Once AI can build itself talent won't be the bottleneck.
ineedasername2 days ago
This article is wholly flawed from the start where it claims nothing has been done, no actual effort made. A straight forward search of "what efforts were made and safeguards put in place subsequent to the CAISS statement in 2003?"

It also shows the same reasoning error mode many criticisms of a precautionary initiative or intervention to a problem:

Assuming that a problem whose trajectory was at a certain place when the initiative began has failed simply because it isn't solved on their own wished for timeline or standard of success, or that it wasn't meaningfully changed from what itnwod otherwise have been.

What happened to realizing there are hard problems, that different things may need to be tried, or that those things tried were partial but not complete solutions?

OliveronData2 days ago
How about the simplest explanation?

* AI Labs hit the scaling wall. They need either new techniques, or vastly more powerful hardware to advance further.

This explains, the miraculous incompetence of AI labs in securing sandboxes and figuring out "alignment."

So they are between a rock and a hard place. They need limitless VC money because they cannot operate otherwise, and they do not have the capabilities to go further. The scare tactics and the "pacing the frontier" makes perfect sense then; they can IPO on the assumption that their ridiculous balance sheet doesn't matter because they are holding back. Because they are in control. The regulatory capture would be double whammy if they can manage it.

Open AI already said they have smarter models, and Opus 5.5 is rumored to be "taught" by a "teacher" model already; they are essentially distillations from bigger models, that both labs probably cannot economically serve to the public, due to hardware simply not being there. And, most of the improvements are not at the model level, but at the agentic glue level. Labs are getting better at RL'ing the models for agentic use cases, but the inherent flaws are still there. Models still have trouble with locality in writing for example (bunch of research on this that shows model size is the determinator), and agents are the bandaid over that.

And in the meantime if one of the labs makes a breakthrough, they'll push with all they have, because why wouldn't they? The idea that current LLMs can actually go rogue is just hilarious; in all cases, agents are being led by (deliberate) incompetence.

Pacing the frontier and the scare tactics will be seen as new generation's snakeoil tactics, perhaps will be called a flavor of AI CEOing or something.

0xDEAFBEAD2 days ago
This is the type of Ed Zitron prediction which keeps being wrong: https://danluu.com/zitron/

Anthropic's revenue is up 50% in the past two months. They're not hitting a wall.

OliveronData2 days ago
That's an association fallacy. And revenue has no indication on training costs in this context. Subscription "allowance" is going down steadily and any increase is an instant incredible deal. Opus 5.5 is the most obvious outlier. Despite being supposedly cheaper than 5.6, GPT 6 Sol has less usage than 5.3 Codex. You might say that's because of the improved capabilities, but then you have to acknowledge that labs are tightening the ship as costs are getting higher.
aix12 days ago
> Anthropic's revenue is up 50% in the past two months

What's the source for such recent revenue numbers?

And 50% over what -- two months ago, same months last year etc?

edmundsauto2 days ago
I agree. The companies want to release their models that are just ahead of the competition while working on UX based vendor lockin. They can buffer model releases if everyone is slowing down (releases are hard and expensive!) and then do more foundational-but-not-ready-to-apply research while continuing on he funding, valuation, addition, and revenue pushes.

I read the whole thing as coordinated behavior to reduce the breakneck pace of 2026.

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