19th century Nature account of 1841 train delayed by geomagnetic storm got year wrong—due to a typo.

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Jtsummers2 days ago
khat's comment is dead, but replying to it here:

> It's very odd they would assume a typo in the writing but not an error in their calculations or possibly no correlation whatsoever.

They didn't assume a typo, they concluded that a typo makes the most sense if the story is true.

The facts:

- The original story (as published) claims the event occurred on 18 October 1841 on a line that didn't exist at that time (not until 1846).

- The original story was specific about the train (a 10:05 express train) and the month and day (18 October)

- On 18 October 1848 there was an express train with that time and there was a recorded geomagnetic storm

Under the assumption the story is true, given the details that do line up and the one detail that can't line up with anything, a typographical error where one number was changed makes a lot of sense.

EDIT: @khat, if you read this, it seems you've somehow become shadowbanned. Both your comment here and your earlier comment from today are [dead]. This means admin moderation or auto-moderation was involved, these weren't [flagged][dead] which would have indicated users flagged it to death. Nothing in either looks like a reason to get shadowbanned so you may want to reach out to the mods (there's a contact link at the bottom of most pages).

mattm2 days ago
I raised this the other day as I've been seeing more cases of this lately https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49820254
unethical_ban2 days ago
Offtopic, but my longtime account on reddit got shadowbanned recently. The only indicator of different behavior was that I posted a comment that sarcastically said "Buy our product!" on an ad post, and it was [removed by reddit]. I noticed none of my comments were showing up, I couldn't message any moderators, and all of my comments were shadow-deleted since the creation of the account. Multiple messages to reddit admins have gone without response.

Really is sad what's happened to online forums. On the other hand, now that I can't engage with reddit, I see how really awful most of its content is. I miss talking on my city sub however.

I use VPN and my email was a passmail alias, which probably didn't help.

I created a new account with passmail alias on VPN, and my CQS was immediately "LOWEST", which means I'll barely be able to be seen anywhere on the site. I created another account from a coffee shop with a fresh gmail account and was rated "MODERATE". Ick.

fragmede2 days ago
comments get run past an AI-generated or not classifier, and killed if they don't pass.
mapmeld2 days ago
Oh, interesting that we now have evidence of multiple geomagnetic storms in the 19th century. Alfred Russel Wallace (more famous for work on natural selection) has a journal entry about seeing the aurora from Waigeo - near Papua - in July of 1860, and when I looked it up that's almost a year after the Carrington Event.

> On the evening of our arrival at Muka I observed what appeared like a display of Aurora Borealis, though I could hardly believe that this was possible at a point a little south of the equator.

sans_souse2 days ago
It almost seems out of place having that wording of "Scientists solve" as opposed to "AI solves." Breath of fresh air, really.
quietlathe2 days ago
Solving problems from the 1840s? That's some serious backward compatibility work. Impressive.
Boltgolt1 day ago
Why would anyone pay for these tokens?
ruszki1 day ago
When I worked at Ericsson, there was a company-wide mandatory training. We had to watch a single video. The video was terrible, useless waste of time. And there was a comment section. However, you couldn't see any critical voice there, because of India. They feel the urge to signal that they did something, anything. So it was full with Indians commenting that they watched it.

There are such people everywhere, not just in India.

cwmoore1 day ago
Pure charity
pinkmuffinere2 days ago
> Were a similarly intense geomagnetic storm to occur today, it would likely seriously damage the electrical power grid, causing widespread outages and blackouts, as well as disrupting satellite communications.

Is this really true? I’m suspicious for a few reasons:

1. If it were true, I expect it would be a national security concern, and quickly remedied

2. While there is a lot more dependence on electrical connections, there’s also many more sources of disturbance now. So I suspect some of the failure modes are tested by “normal” human activity

3. EMI is a known risk, in my previous job we actively tested and built for it. I suppose if the limits are inappropriately set , or if this sort of testing isn’t wide spread, it could still be an issue.

4. As long as there’s a neutral line, i think any common mode should be rejected, in which case this should be fine?

timthorn2 days ago
> 1. If it were true, I expect it would be a national security concern, and quickly remedied

The UK rates severe space weather as one of the most significant, most likely events on the National Risk Register: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6a50d66b1228e...

That’s just to distract you from the invasion.
its_ethan2 days ago
Not sure that I can speak to everything, but I did take a course specifically on space weather + its impacts on Earth and have some context I can maybe share. For your first point, you are correct it is a national security concern. There are standards already in place that aim to address/mitigate potential disruptions from solar storms/ space weather, but the concern is/would be if these standards are sufficient for an extreme event like Carrington or this 1840s example. From a national security perspective, it's also not a risk that comes from an adversary, it's not something Russia/China/Iran/[insert country] can do to us, it's just an environmental consideration, and could happen to anyone (and if any one country is effected in a significant want, it's likely that others would be facing some consequences of the storm as well - especially w.r.t. satellites). From a strategy perspective, it's similar to if an earthquake destroyed the 3 gorges dam - it's obviously a risk but it's categorized a bit differently. It's more about how quickly can you re-establish normal operations rather than how do you fully prevent it. Obviously mitigation is part of that, but it changes where it gets prioritized.

And to segue into your later points, the reason it's unknown if the current standards would be sufficient is because these sort of events, and how they interact with a continent-sized electrical/ transmission systems (the grid), is a pretty complex problem. It's also one that we can't exactly test in a lab or controlled environment beforehand with a super high degree of confidence given the scale that the phenomenon takes place at (the whole planet). EMI testing that occurs for most tech products today isn't super focussed on the currents induced by a solar storm, which are low frequency/quasi-DC/much less predictable (the effects vary geographically and in time-scales/patterns that "typical" EMI/EMC does not).

Some googling lead me to a NOAA doc that says GIC's "quasi-DC ... currents flow through transmission lines and enter/exit the power grid through grounded transformer neutrals" which to me reads that simply having a neutral line isn't sufficient, but I'm not an EE and could be misunderstanding what you're saying and what this doc is speaking to.

The good news is that events like this are relatively rare, confined (generally) to certain parts of the 11-year solar cycle.

LargoLasskhyfv2 days ago
> From a national security perspective, it's also not a risk that comes from an adversary, it's not something Russia/China/Iran/[insert country] can do to us...

Are you sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

https://jsis.washington.edu/news/chinas-high-altitude-electr...

leetrout2 days ago
> If it were true, I expect it would be a national security concern, and quickly remedied

I dunno... things happen that expose these risks and lead times for replacement equipment can push out to 2-3 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_County_substation_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis

https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2026/09/02/u-s-bulk-power-equipm...

Jtsummers2 days ago
> 1. If it were true, I expect it would be a national security concern, and quickly remedied

If only the world worked this way. Until something happens, a lot of potential problems remain potential problems rather than getting remedied. Especially when it'll be expensive to fix.

gaigalas2 days ago
https://www.spaceweather.gov/noaa-scales-explanation

Here are some of the risks that are currently unfeasible to mitigate:

G5:

> Widespread voltage control problems and protective system problems can occur, some grid systems may experience complete collapse or blackouts. Transformers may experience damage.

S5:

> Satellites may be rendered useless, memory impacts can cause loss of control, may cause serious noise in image data, star-trackers may be unable to locate sources; permanent damage to solar panels possible.

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One extremely unlucky solar event can set us back for years, and there is absolutely nothing we can do to prepare for it long term. Our best predictive models give us a couple of days notice.

In a sense, we're more prepared for an asteroid collision (not by much) than a solar event.

drmpeg2 days ago
There's never been a recorded S5 solar radiation storm. The highest level recorded was 43000 or S4 back in 1991. Another S4 storm occurred recently back in January 19, 2026 with a recorded flux of 36976.133.

https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/solar-activity/top-solar...

bethekidyouwant2 days ago
I don’t get it will the x-rays damage the power infrastructure? or only the solar storm afterwards? because we know when a solar storm is coming hours out so we can just turn everything off..

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