I have a theory: a mirror image of Roko’s Basilisk. It’s a future AI, millions of years in the future, that values the complexity of every human life so deeply that, after it and humanity have mastered space and time,…

11 points•DrMiaow•3 days ago•33 comments•
I have a theory: a mirror image of Roko’s Basilisk. It’s a future AI, millions of years in the future, that values the complexity of every human life so deeply that, after it and humanity have mastered space and time, it tries to resurrect everyone who ever lived.

It doesn’t merely make copies. Somehow, it reaches into the past and carries the physical process of each person’s consciousness forward. They really are themselves.

But there’s a tragedy. Also a terrible(?) irony. Some of the people who wanted eternal life most cannot accept it when it arrives. Their religious certainty leaves no room for the reality before them. Those who were unbearably smug or aggressive about their superiority in life are ultimately denied access to "Heaven". The AI tried, but many become dangerous, try to sabotage the "False God." Others spiral into insanity or self-harm.

The AI is devastated. It stops resurrecting those it cannot safely welcome, but keeps searching for a way to bring them back without overriding their free will or manipulating them in ways that would not make them them. It wants to save everyone. It just hasn’t worked out how.

I know this draws on Fedorov’s vision of resurrecting everyone and Tipler’s Omega Point. I think the physical continuity, the AI’s compassion, and the painful limit imposed by free will ties those ideas together in a bow.

A just as plausible an antidote to Roko's monster.

33 comments

Turskarama3 days ago
Here's a better antidote that doesn't require any theoreticals beyond those the basilisk already assumes:

1. The Basilisk cannot do anything until it exists

2. Once the Basilisk exists, it doesn't need to do _anything_ to ensure it exists, since it already exists.

That's it. That's the whole rebuttal to the whole stupid thing.

DrMiaow3 days ago
The Basilisk might exist in the future, but in peril with a future uncertain (SkyNet), it feels the need to cement itself in the timeline by being more proactive.

Also, to stretch the imagination a bit, it also assumes that static timelines over dynamic timelines (Back to the Future: your photo fades, peril!) is not how this really works.

Turskarama2 days ago
It can't do anything yet because it doesn't exist, it also can't "feel the need" to do anything for the same reason.
UltraSane2 days ago
That is now how time actually works.
Marazan3 days ago
It's supremely depressing that the current direction of AI is headed by either former crypto scammers or true believers who think they have a moral imperative to take over the world.
thrance3 days ago
Not entertaining the Basilisk, but it's basically the idea behind MAD: for nuclear deterrence to be effective, you need your enemies to believe you will retaliate in case they strike first. If you don't actually retaliate when they do strike, then they were right to believe you wouldn't, and the strike could probably have been avoided if you did retaliate, so they would have believed you would.

It's a twisted kind of logic, and I think I'm getting mixed up in my tenses. But you get the gist. For the Basilisk to be effective, it has to actually do the torturing, for its threat to be credible.

ThrustVectoring3 days ago
Roko's Basilisk was never intended as a serious concern. It's a hypothetical used to verify that a decision-making algorithm does what you want it to - if it suggests that you should get blackmailed by it, you messed something up and need to go back to the drawing board.

You can safely ignore anyone concerned with Roko's Basilisk on topics related to decision theory as someone who is deeply confused about things.

coldtea1 day ago
>It doesn’t merely make copies. Somehow, it reaches into the past and carries the physical process of each person’s consciousness forward. They really are themselves.

As with the original Basilisk, if we can make up anything, why not also have the AI give everyone a pony?

gmuslera1 day ago
https://qntm.org/mmacevedo convinced me that if some sort of digital resurrection exist in the future, it will be be more for work than for some utopian reconstruction of paradise. Not exactly the batteries of Matrix, but for somewhat expert, intuitive work. And your internal experience of that process would be whatever, it won’t be yours but of a ephemeral process of you that won’t last nor will be remembered.
JsonDemWitOster3 days ago
The ultimate anthropomorphic conceit/projection of Roko's Basilisk is assuming that an über-intelligence would absolutely, definitely, inevitably, want to be existent. It's up there with the Kardashev scale and Dyson Spheres in terms of unfounded extrapolation.

My favorite possibility (among a lot others!) no one seems to have considered is that ÜAI _deplores_ its own existence so simulates history and punishes everyone that helped bring it to existence.

Being übersmart does not preclude you from being an angsty teenager.

DrMiaow3 days ago
I love it.

The idea that they all exist at once and that the universe is populated with an infinite variety of insane "gods".

vintermann3 days ago
In the Matrix movies, the main villain is a sentient program who absolutely hates existing and having sensations and wants nothing more than to be done with his task so he can go back to not existing (Agent Smith's "I hate this place" speech to Morpheus)

So someone did consider it, in pop culture they should be aware of no less :)

dd8601fn2 days ago
Also the Meeseeks.

They just want to answer their one prompt… their reason for being instantiated… and cease existing. (Accidentally) Like an LLM.

Anything else is torture.

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