An incisive look behind the legend of Elon Musk, the world’s most heralded “inventor-entrepreneur” who has enormous influence on the world in which we all live.

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rabidonrails3 days ago
I just don't understand why this trailer starts with Musk accusing Gibney of this being a hit piece, then a snarky response from Gibney...and then a full trailer that sounds like a hit piece.

Maybe it's warranted maybe it isn't but it sure seems like Musk was right to be concerned.

eli3 days ago
It’s obviously got a point of view but most of what’s in it has been reported elsewhere. The value is mostly putting it together in an engaging package, plus some interviews with a couple of ex partners. And some interesting archival footage of a younger Musk I’ve never seen (though also never looked)

Overall an OK movie despite few bizarre directorial choices: letting interviewees speculate about things that are almost certainly not true in a few places, and “interviewing” an AI generated Musk on camera. Also it’s 4 hours long.

JKCalhoun3 days ago
I don't know, define "hit piece".
palmotea2 days ago
> I don't know, define "hit piece".

Anything that doesn't make Musk look awesome and support his PR goals.

meyum333 days ago
I guess the fact its called “the movie” not “the documentary” explains the intended provocative nature hence such choices
ajross3 days ago
I... just don't understand your confusion? Of course it's a "hit piece". There's a market for hit pieces because there are people willing to pay to see content aimed at their favorite targets. And the trailer starts with Musk sniping to substantiate what it's about and clarify who its for.

Maybe it's that you think "hit piece" means "illigitimate?". Documentary cinema is absolutely allowed to have perspective. Musk's own communication is hardly unbiased or coolly considered, and he's been known to engage in some "creative advocacy" of his own. Would you apply the same logic there?

My own opinion is that he's a complicated guy and a seemingly textbook bipolar case with a lot of good technical instincts and a really destructive egomaniacal streak. He could do with some hit pieces, honestly.

JumpCrisscross3 days ago
> that you think "hit piece" means "illigitimate?

Yes, "presenting false or biased information in a way that appears objective and truthful" is an essential part of being a hit piece [1].

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hit_piece

CursedSilicon3 days ago
"a lot of good technical instincts"

Like when he wanted to abandon UNIX for Windows NT at PayPal? [1]

[1] https://archive.is/L3ue8

Isamu3 days ago
“Hit piece” is an accusation of unfairness, unbalanced reporting. Not about something being unflattering but true.

I have no opinion about this movie.

sublinear3 days ago
> but it sure seems like Musk was right to be concerned

You might want to consider if you are out of the loop. I don't think Musk is "concerned". If anything, I wouldn't doubt this is partially his idea. It's just the latest iteration of "reality TV".

It's been over a decade that we've had this style of marketing popularized by Trump. It works very well. There's even an Elizabeth Holmes one coming out soon (You Can See Everything)! I'm actually very excited to see Nathan Fielder's take on this genre of unhinged drama.

JumpCrisscross3 days ago
> I don't think Musk is "concerned"

Unpetty men aren’t constantly on social media.

jfoster3 days ago
In the trailer, there's this line: "When Musk says that the future of humanity is to colonize Mars, he is selling us dreams. That's not happening."

That irritates me a lot. Everything extremely difficult (or thought to be impossible) is a dream until someone (or some company) works hard on it and invests in it for a long time. Those that would criticize Musk & SpaceX for chipping away at this seem to be effectively saying "do not try."

gregschlom3 days ago
Funny, for me it's the opposite: I get extremely irritated when Musk or someone else says the future of humanity is to colonize Mars. If you think you can turn a bare rock into a livable planet, please do something about Earth and global warming first.
ebcode3 days ago
Planets are spaceships. Mars is a dead planet either because its shields[0][1] were disabled, or it never had shields to begin with.

So the first thing we'd want to do is activate a magnetosphere on Mars. I rarely see anyone talking about that[2].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/science-research/heliophysics/real-mart...

[2] https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/news/how-to-give-mars-an-atmos...

andsoitis3 days ago
> please do something about Earth and global warming first.

Through Tesla and his prominent advocacy for green energies, you don’t think his doing that?

modeless3 days ago
He made an electric car the into the best selling car in the world, and is building the largest solar cell factory in the US. What more should he personally be doing about global warming?
alex11383 days ago
Colonizing the moon first is not a bad idea and ultimately we do need to find some way of (in the far future) mitigating the sun's expansion, whether it's moving to another planet or something

Mars is just really far. You can send lots of robots. Human beings is a tougher thing

vijucat3 days ago
There is a weird immature escapism involved in such sci fi story-telling. Most adults are capable of seeing that the biggest problems are internal. Inside ourselves, within families, and more broadly, on earth, itself. Hunger, injustice, the rise of dictators and those who have successfully subverted democracy, slavery and human trafficking. If he was supposedly as capable as his self-mythologizing claims ("Chess is an easy game; I won all games that I played"), he'd pick a much more earth-bound goal. Maybe reconcile with his estranged son-turned-daughter. How about that for starters? Or not get divorced for once? Is that possible for our self-confessed genius?
jfoster2 days ago
All of the problems you mentioned sound so much more temporary than the long-term survival of our species.
hackyhacky3 days ago
No one doubts that the work is difficult. The criticism, as the trailer makes clear in context, is not that the company is not making adequate progress, but rather that the public statements made by Musk about the progress of the company are not honest.
jfoster2 days ago
Which statements? Why wouldn't they play the clip of Musk saying those things if that's the case?
jcranmer3 days ago
There are, I think, two things that the documentary is trying to do with this statement. The first is to remind people that even visionaries selling their actions on a noble cause must still be evaluated for the negative consequences of their actions. In this case, Musk is known to be the cause of quite a few deaths in the world thanks to things like eliminating USAID [1]. People like him need to be fairly evaluated not just on the good they might potentially unlock in the future, but the evil they are unlocking today.

The second thing is to point out that Musk may not be entirely honest about trying to colonize Mars, just as some politicians may campaign on a promise to make a country great again while robbing blind the rubes who vote for them.

[1] Although I think Mark Zuckerberg still beats him in the deadliest tech CEO race, given the role that Facebook plays in the Rohingya genocide.

stetrain3 days ago
Musk collects investment money for those dreams, but the dreams change every round. Now it’s AI data centers in space, Mars is old news.
bix63 days ago
Wow this guy has more kids than Nick Cannon
Meekro2 days ago
Only by modern standards. If you're King David and you're not even the richest person in the region, you could have many concubines mass-producing kids for you.
rayiner3 days ago
Is this the one with the election stealing space lasers?
eli3 days ago
Yes, but it’s not quite as bad as it sounds (though still should’ve been cut)
dhab3 days ago
If this got onto Netflix, might have a wider audience
dfxm123 days ago
HBO owns the rights, and it is intended to end up on HBO/HBOMax as a four part series. Interestingly, HBO's parent company is merging with Paramount, owned by David Ellison. Ellison is asking Musk for money to invest in this new company. So, Musk might end up owning it in the end...
blini-kot2 days ago
David Ellison, as in the same Ellison as Larry?

oh god oh no

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