Paper raises questions about safety of food and other products as early onset breast cancer rates surge worldwide

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timr3 days ago
The actual paper [1] is quite bad. They mine the literature for chemicals with any publication that suggests a link to cancer (or appearance in certain databases based on the same approach), and then spend most of their efforts determining amounts of production and use of the chemicals in question.

This is almost pure propaganda. No actual science has been performed, and the quality of the result is directly dependent on the underlying quality of thousands of individual studies that haven’t been reviewed.

(To be completely fair to the authors, the Guardian article is completely misleading. Their goal was not to identitfy carcinogens, but rather, to engage in “risk reduction analysis” for the universe of chemicals that might plausibly be considered a carcinogen if you didn’t have any other evidence and cast a ridiculously wide net. Still a dumb goal, IMO, but not as dumb as the article makes it sound.)

[1] https://pubs.acs.org/evhpaz/article/doi/10.1021/EHP.6c00022/...

userbinator3 days ago
It's what happens when activists take over science.
UpsideDownRide3 days ago
Yeah I concur, economic science is the prime example.
loeg3 days ago
As usual in this kind of thing, "linked to" in this context does not mean anything like "actually known to cause breast cancer in humans." Just as we have cured cancer in rodents repeatedly, we have also caused cancer in rodents repeatedly, sometimes by giving them extremely high doses of chemicals that do not correspond to how much a human might consume.
VladVladikoff3 days ago
I really hope that Canada joining the EU forces some stricter regulations on crops grown in Canada. It’s sad how poor of a job our government does to protect its citizens.
refurb3 days ago
What EU regulation related to crop growth are you most interested in Canada adopting?
sellmesoap2 days ago
Outside of crop growth we're also way behind on food addatives like tartrizine, which we pump into our children's candy with wreckless abandon, my understanding is the EU banned these additives and a few that have similar long term health effects some years back. I'd rather the industry get in front of these things before the government has to regulate, but I guess we have to do things the hard way. The pessimest librarian in me guesses EU rules would ruin and put off balance many Canadian insustries, and regulations of the big food co racket will be last to happen and be exempt from the US shipping us their toxic foodstuffs recently banned stateside up here. It could easily be worst of both worlds. It makes sense that Canada and US are biggest trading partners, I certainly don't understand the ins and outs of all the trade vortexes across our borders, but I know politicians are milking the show for all it's worth while regular people would love nothing more then for the show to move on and get back to our usual crony capitalism where even the little guy can run a business that crosses the border without a department of wizardry of tarriffs, we miss you guys and we're stronger working together!
VladVladikoff3 days ago
Banning Atrazine, Diquat, Mancozeb, Chlorothalonil and Bromoxynil would be a good start. I’ve noticed significantly less pollinator species in the past 20 years, many insects are dying out because of these pesticides. I won’t comment on cancer or other side effects as I’m not educated enough to know the truth, but it seems if we have one large world government universally agreeing that these things are bad, and should be banned, it feels weird that other g7 nations continue on with their head in the sand.
mattmaroon3 days ago
“Linked to” is a keyword indicating pseudoscience. Everything is “linked to cancer”.
vardalab3 days ago
Article does say the breast cancer rate has been increasing by one percent annually. That's significant.
hackernud3s3 days ago
Whoa, at that rate it will be over 100% by 2120.
thesmtsolver23 days ago
How much of it is due to other sources of death being addressed?
rdiddly3 days ago
"Linked to" by having been studied and shown to increase tumor rates in rodent testing. That not good enough for ya? Too pseudo-sciencey?
timr3 days ago
Yes, that’s not good enough. Rodents are not humans. Then you have to deal with the dose, the setting, the difference in healthy lifespan, and a million other factors that differ from actual people in the real world.

On top of all of that, this paper did no actual research - it just mined existing literature for any chemicals with at least one paper saying that it did something cancer-related in mice or other assays.

Based on prior experience, almost certainly a substantial proportion of these papers are crap, but they don’t make any effort to figure that out (because that would be science, and therefore hard.)

anon482933 days ago
Yes. Rodents are extremely susceptible to cancers.

Might be as high as 57% of all rats developing cancers.

https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/16/3/194/473297/T...

jeffybefffy5193 days ago
But also, another way to frame this is "Linked to" is a keyword indicating we dont know enough positive or negatively for human impact, and therefore its a long term experiment.
loeg3 days ago
If that's the meaning, the article is uninteresting and meaningless -- telling us nothing new.

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