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kristianp3 days ago
lukeify3 days ago
It's a shame the archive links don't display the graphs, Bloomberg's are usually quite informative.
zihotki3 days ago
In Netherlands you could also get paid for charging your car. There is such thing called ERE Certificates - emission reduction unit certificate is generated by offsetting emissions. Pollutters have to buy them to offset the harm. It's up to 0.1 euro per KWh (electricity costs 0.28 euro per KWh), depending on the demand.
Gud3 days ago
Serious question.

Can you get this money if you instead choose a much better option, like riding the bike or going with public transport?

Or is this only for people who choose cars?

gcr3 days ago
should there be? bikes use a fraction of the energy from EVs, aren’t their owners benefitting from lower cost-of-ownership either way?
sippingabonedry3 days ago
Not in rural Europe it isn't.

There is still no widespread charging infra. Oh sure, there are chargers. If you're lucky and your town is on a state highway there might be one or two chargers in the entire town — their purpose being so visitors don't become stranded.

Outside of cities, they are not there in sufficient quantity for widespread adoption.

The apartment problem has not been solved either, and people do not have the time in their lives to dedicate to charging at a shared public charger.

Europe still loves its compact manual transmission cars; but what we may see is a transition away from diesel to petrol vehicles strictly for cost reasons.

solarkraft3 days ago
I’m not claiming this to be an entirely solved issue, but the situations in which EVs make sense are already very broad and keep expanding. The city I live in has lantern chargers (admittedly not everywhere), some others are building them into curbs. Apartment parking spaces and garages are getting chargers installed. If you live rurally, chances are high you can install your own.
Kuinox3 days ago
> Not in rural Europe it isn't. > There is still no widespread charging infra.

You can charge your car at home on a simple reinforced 230V socket. Even city car which should be bad for this purpose have at least 200km of range.

thehappypm3 days ago
I charge mine on a 120 V 20 amp outlet in the US that was already in my garage… And it works fine for me
Moto74513 days ago
I’m in the US but I’m basically charging the same way. 16A 240v. I’ve accidentally stepped it down to 13A and didn’t really notice. If you sleep, and can plug your car in while you do so, you can charge.
softwaredoug3 days ago
Strangely I’d expect urban centers with apartments and street parking to be the problem.

In the US Electric vehicles are easier for those who can park a car next to an outlet they own. We have a lot more suburbia with people owning their own charging.

raldi3 days ago
This was probably what people used to say about petrol stations.
al_borland3 days ago
And it would have been a legitimate issue at that time too.
jareklupinski3 days ago
that's fine; the issues that electric cars are trying to solve in congested urban areas aren't as prevalent in rural areas, where diesel engines are still going to be doing most of the work anyway
mcv3 days ago
I would expect that in rural areas, it's much easier to simply charge at home. It's harder when you live in an apartment and park on the street.
sippingabonedry3 days ago
That's fair; but articles like this tend to view reality as black or white, rather than the grey area it is.
deodorel3 days ago
The problem is not the chargers, for example in my country, we would need to double our energy production, transport capacity, to phase out fossil fuels. The costs would be enormous, double the infra work in the last 70 years.
ZeroGravitas3 days ago
> double our energy production

Electrification generally reduces energy use, while increasing electricity use, due to much higher efficiency.

So if you are correct it will only be because you don't produce the energy used in ICE but instead import it after buying it on the global market.

tim3333 days ago
Stick in some solar cells linked to batteries linked to the charger. Given the current trend in prices it'd save rather than cost money soon (5 yrs?).
ViewTrick10023 days ago
That’s for the whole economy.

Transport is generally put at - 15-25% increase. Due to both needing less refinement and transport, and just how efficient BEVs are.

tim3333 days ago
Maybe Trump is a secret green energy fan and figured the only way to convert the world was to shut off gulf production? Also Russian production is not doing well and the final step may be taking out North American production in the Canada wars.

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