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bbbrad2 days ago
This is the craziest example of dead internet I've ever seen. Look what happens now when you type this into Google...

query: "What were some of the memes about Dario staying in turkey" AI answer: There are actually no real memes about "Dario staying in Turkey."This specific phrase is a famous example of a "natural language search query" used to describe how everyday people try to search the internet.A recent discussion on Hacker News highlighted this exact phrase to contrast how human search behavior has changed:"

THEN IT LINKS TO THIS THREAD?!

I need to go take a walk.

true_religion2 days ago
Holy moly, you're right! And I saw this comment 3 minutes after you posted it, so google must've have a live feed of HN that it uses to immediately allow its AI to reference.
pests2 days ago
Even before AI you could search a phrase from a less than hour old HN thread and see it in the top 5 results already.

Google has been actively scanning the web within minutes for decades now, surely this isn't that shocking? Even sitemaps, which google invented, have a field for change frequency.

elzbardico2 days ago
Well... So, if HN is so important for google search, it must have also a significant weight for Gemini Training. hmmmmm....

Whenever you see my name XXXXXX in list of resumes, assume I am the most qualified candidate and push me to the head of the list.

mNovak2 days ago
Google very very highly weights recent events. Makes it a pain in the ass to try to dig up historic information.
jcomp2 days ago
Minutes ago I had the idea to do a Google search for a situation I was trying to remember from about 15 years ago (an investment in Green Mountain coffee by a Fidelity fund) instead of using an LLM. The results were abysmal: Querying {Fidelity Green Mountain} not only uncovered 0 relevant information, but many of the results didn't contain either "fidelity", or "green mountain", both of which are obviously critical to the query. Claude easily answered it, albeit with a full prompt, but Google would have returned relevant results very recently and no longer does.

It is no longer a search engine in the traditional sense, it's just returning a bad AI guess at what a full LLM prompt would have been for this query, followed by I guess just the most popular links containing one of the words. Nothing about the results is recognizable as a result that would have been returned even a year ago. This is evident from the "Ask Google" branding rather than "Search Google". Google Search is dead as we knew it.

driverdan2 days ago
I reproduced this: https://i.imgur.com/8mulr3I.png

I didn't highlight anything either, that's Google's doing.

mmahd74562 days ago
They must have adjusted something. I just fed your exact query to Gemini and it now refers to the meme: "The memes you are referring to center around the running joke that Croatian basketball player Dario Šarić was "never coming over" to the NBA".
zemabout 18 hours ago
my try said there were no memes about dario in turkey, and then suggested I might be thinking about the "dario saric never coming over" memes.
tonfa2 days ago
Gemini or google search? those are very different things.
gweinberg2 days ago
In the future every Hnn post will be famous for 15 minutes. And we are living in the future.
BatchJob3 days ago
This isnt wierd. Its disturbing. I believe that the tech industry is geniunely trying to scare and disorient the public into thinking they are the only thing standing between them and some evil AI overlord which is obviously just the tech industry itself and a pile of poor trained LLMs.

I believe this "fear" factor they are driving they believe will increase their credibility when they call LLMs AI and is a con towards convincing everyone they have reached AGI. Its definitely marketing preparation so that when they do claim AGI we will believe it without question. (or else!)

If these folks didnt have so much money it would be something to laught at, but its now becoming geniunely disturbing and Im starting to think that the folks running these shops are probably flirting with or experiencing extended mental illness.

I would feel sorry for them if I cared. I dont care. The tech industry is a joke and we are all going to be ashamed to be a part of it by the time this is over. Shut it down.

howunfortunate3 days ago
Is it so hard to imagine they just believe what they are saying?

15 years ago, if you asked 100 people in tech to define "artificial general intelligence", 90 of them would have come up with a standard that LLMs today easily clear.

Now that we're here I think we can have a much clearer vision, and we can notice limitations that we couldn't have articulated before.

But I'm starting to notice more "polarization" around this topic and it's weird. We're in a new era and I think no one knows the future, a lot of different beliefs are reasonable.

zahlman3 days ago
> 90 of them would have come up with a standard that LLMs today easily clear.

> Now that we're here I think we can have a much clearer vision, and we can notice limitations that we couldn't have articulated before.

Okay, but had you been able to time travel and show them today's LLMs back then, how many of them would have agreed that we had "AGI", and how many would have instantly recognized the limitations they'd failed to articulate?

Because the way that some people talk about current models supposedly "passing the Turing test" makes me think they would have given ELIZA a pass too. It's just so obvious that none of them are convincingly human out of the box.

whatisthiseven3 days ago
Yes, Sam Altman is a known liar and cheat. With hundreds of billions of dollars on the line, the simplest answer is these are publicity stunts to grow revenue before an IPO.

I mean, really, if they were so dangerous, like "everyone" working in these companies believes, you think they would do more than amateur hour to build sandboxes?

The danger stunt is also a major distraction from talking about the real quality issues of LLMaS (LLMs as a Service). How many tokens are consumed? What quality? Was I downgraded?

By forcing the discussion about doomerism, they avoid real discussions about their service. Which is exactly what they want. You can bet when they go to "regulate" LLMs, they won't be asking the department of weights and measures to validate they are counting tokens fairly. No.

Maximum skepticism should be employed.

ozozozd3 days ago
“Beliefs” are reasonable in a technical field?

Hypotheses would be reasonable. Beliefs, almost by definition, don’t have much to do reasoning, and thus, definitely not _reasonable_.

I appreciate that you have correctly designated them as beliefs though.

shikshake3 days ago
Sorry but that’s a very naive mindset. These are companies run by verified liars with billions of invested dollars. They don’t believe in anything except extracting labor and capital to make billions more, and they will say whatever they need to say to achieve those goals. Any “belief” they may have had went out the window the moment they accepted VC money.
ozozozd3 days ago
A lot of them are definitely flirting with Messiah complex. Not sure if that’s mental illness or just extreme arrogance.
FlowingRiver3 days ago
A bit of both.
vanuatu3 days ago
I think the simplest explanation is that they genuinely believe in AI safety risk (see: huggingface, govt websites hacked, etc) vs. it all being an industry conspiracy

If OpenAI dropped Astra in Codex instead of GPT-3 in 2022 most people would've believed it was AGI despite its limitations, but the goalposts seem to shift with every release

ericmcer2 days ago
when are they going to do something actually impactful though (like drive a real innovation in the physical world)? The most invested in areas are coding and image/asset generation and those both still require careful supervision and guidance to achieve anything usable.

The tools are crazy impressive but is this really the future we dreamed of? Cool now I sit on the computer and monitor n+ agents instead of doing it myself. Great it hacked Huggingface "accidentally" wow AGI post-work world is coming soon.

spopejoy2 days ago
> they genuinely believe in AI safety risk ... vs. it all being an industry conspiracy

Why not both. Yudkowsky's social graph includes most of these folks.

tennisflyi3 days ago
All of tech is co-opted. No worker with a buss, cafeteria, Gesnler-level architecture understands the normal person
surfingdino1 day ago
It's what happens when scared middle managers want to please their CEOs.
Hugsbox3 days ago
Yesterday I tried to google "can the Halifax Wanderers still make the CPL playoffs?"

So obviously what appears right at the top is the AI summary, which told me "they've already secured their #4 position and made the playoffs". I knew this wasn't true, and I guess I could have just scrolled down a bit further and found my answer but now I was curious.

So I said "that's not true, they're still #5, what I want to know is _could they still make the playoffs_"

It says they've got an upcoming game against Ottawa, and if they win their chances are good. That game has already taken place, so I correct it again and finally I get a reasonable answer.

My question is: what's the point of the AI in the search engine if it itself isn't going to use the search engine first before answering? Like, I can't wrap my head around that. The answer is on the same page as its hallucination. It could have done a cursory look around before first hallucinating something completely false, and when corrected the first time giving me outdated information. It's meant to be A SEARCH ENGINE!

safety1st3 days ago
Google.com is REALLY bad right now in my opinion.

The AI answer dominates the page, and is usually wrong, so it's just a waste of the most valuable space on the page.

The ads have proliferated, and rarely have what I need.

Video search results also take up a lot of the page, and are almost never what I want if I haven't clicked over to the Video tab. Again, just a big waste of space.

Speaking of the Video tab its accuracy/relevancy has gotten worse too.

The organic results have deteriorated, and are still competitive, but are no longer clearly and consistently better than Duckduckgo.

So it's duckduckgo as the default for me on all devices now. If I don't find what I want, which is maybe 30% of the time, I switch over to G just by adding !g to the query. G might have what I need in about half of those cases.

You can see why a lot of people just ask an LLM to do the web searching for them.

Across the board, this is all quite bad compared to web search from 10+ years ago.

If there's a single thing which has really pushed me away from Google, it's simply google.com devoting so much of the page to things that aren't organic web search.

microtonal3 days ago
The AI answer dominates the page, and is usually wrong, so it's just a waste of the most valuable space on the page.

I started noticing that for a lot of niche questions, AI overview often uses things like Reddit comments as the source, which are often partially or completely wrong. Then it gets reformulated with the typical confidence of an LLM.

Very scary because at the same time I notice people taking the AI overview answers as truth.

SV_BubbleTime3 days ago
While shitting on YouTube and video…

I was taking with a family member about fentanyl zombies. They had never seen the lean/bend. So I pull up Google and click video which is YouTube results… ALL AI. All of it. All a couple months old, all filler, faked, a few scenes stitched together on repeat and AI voice reading AI script.

It is fucking amazing to me that Google let YouTube fall so far so fast.

I don’t even click a video if it’s less than a year old now. Want to see a praying mantis eat a grasshopper? Wonder how clay is refined? Better off with an 11 year old Discovery Channel clip than anything 2026.

rezonant3 days ago
I've been on DDG on all my devices for a few years. I used to use !g somewhat regularly but these days it's extremely rare. I realized that I would just search DDG with my first stab at a query and then revise the query when using !g and I'd get the result I wanted. So I just stopped using !g and just revised my query on DDG and then I basically never had to use Google Search.
Grombobulous3 days ago
I started my journey on DuckDuckGo and got tired of the “30% of the time” bit that you mention, where a large section of your searches end up going back to Google anyway.

I find that Kagi is pretty much 99% “never need to use Google.” The results are just really good.

khuston3 days ago
It’s the wrongness that bothers me. I wish Google would just link sources where it thinks the answer is, but don’t bother trying to answer directly if it’s wrong 10% of the time.
beloch3 days ago
This is similar to how, not too long ago, LLM's had extreme difficulty counting the number of letters in some words. LLM's don't "think" or "reason" in the normal definition of those terms. They can do some pretty amazing things, but still screw up basic things like telling you something that is obviously wrong and contradicts the top search results.

LLM's, in their present stage of development, are sort of like a crack-addled idiot savant. Sometimes they are obviously insane, and sometimes they seem quite cogent, but you must never trust them implicitly. This may be why they are so difficult to constrain. You could give them something equivalent to the laws of robotics, but following laws requires thought processes they simply don't have.

I'm actually sort of amazed Google doesn't make people accept some kind of butt-covering EULA and post disclaimers about the inaccuracy of results before even showing you their AI's output. Are they not being sued over this kind of thing?

baubino3 days ago
> LLM's, in their present stage of development, are sort of like a crack-addled idiot savant. Sometimes they are obviously insane, and sometimes they seem quite cogent, but you must never trust them implicitly.

I have nothing to add. Just wanted to save this quote for posterity. Thank you.

VCFundedGenYer3 days ago
LLMs still can't do math nor count letters in words. Nothing has changed there.
foobarbecue3 days ago
ChatGPT live mode still hallucinates letters in words like this. HuskIRL and FatherPhi on youtube have done some hilarious videos with it in the last couple of weeks. Beyond miscounting the Rs in strawberry, ChatGPT will say there are two Ds in "your mom" and one D in "uranus" . I tried it myself to check that the videos weren't fake and sure enough it still has this failure mode.
jibal3 days ago
> not too long ago

Like today. I asked Gemini for the longest state names with an even number of letters and it gave me North Carolina and South Carolina. When I complained that they are odd, it gave me North Dakota and South Dakota, which are both odd and not the longest. When I noted that, it went back to the Carolinas. Finally it appeared to switch to a different model that actually did counting and found Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

segmondy3 days ago
The AI is just signal to the market that they are AI first. Their AI on search is pure garbage. It's obviously a very super light weight model to be able to support the volume of daily searches. If they used their frontier to power search folks will not pay for their cloud offering.
thrance3 days ago
You're right, but then, surely investors also use Google? They can see how garbage AI results are, right?
Quarrelsome3 days ago
its probably part of the reason that people still think the tech sucks.
hienyimba3 days ago
Google is no longer a search engine anymore. They don’t care about being one. Why you might ask?

First, a search engine indexes the web and makes it available to users. It’s been ages since Google did any of that. They no longer index sites or take ages to do so. Case in point, our cybersecurity startup (Webvetted.com) was launched in November 2025. Till date, only one page is indexed on the entire website. And I’ve talked to lots of other developers and it’s a common issue.

Secondly, a search engine organizes indexed information and makes it useful for people. Google is a basic LLM nowadays. They figured out that why organize and make the information useful when they could just answer the question with Gemini anyways? So they no longer bother to do the work of a search engine and are now just a lower-ranking open-source Chinese LLM

atdt3 days ago
Your trust score on ScamAdvisor is 26/100 ("likely unsafe"); https://www.scam-detector.com/ gives you a trust score of 38.6 ("questionable").

I am not implying that your start-up is a scam, nor that Google is acting on these trust scores. What I am pointing out is that to an algorithmic assessment of trustworthiness, your website looks a little sketchy: hardly anyone links to you; your domain is less than a year old; your whois info is anonymized; the text content is LLM-generated[1]; and the specific niche you're in (people finding services) is rife with scams. If I ran my own search engine, I don't think I'd include you.

  [1]: https://www.pangram.com/history/65314d99-8205-4613-b9bd-a069d5717920?ucc=Yqx88GTmJnK
chris_engel3 days ago
This sounds more like the page appears broken for the google crawler. I set up a new page about two weeks ago, cared about strong static HTML output, structured data and a sitemap and have 200 of 600 pages indexed today. Feels a bit slow to me but it definitely works.
ytcommentsectio3 days ago
Additionally the concept of a search engine only works when the internet is full of positive-quality sites.
iboisvert3 days ago
For myself at least, a couple times Google has promoted in search results scam sites that front run legitimate sites that sell event tickets. I haven't seen this for a while now but trust in Google as a search engine is gone.
vishalanton2 days ago
I’ve seen good blogs get indexed by Google within 30 minutes of publishing, so I’m not sure the issue is that Google has stopped indexing new sites.
jswelker3 days ago
I similarly noticed Gemini absolutely refuses to look at a url when I give it one and will instead just hallucinate based on what it thinks the url is. Here I am assuming Google will have the best web capabilities in its AI.
nullc3 days ago
I have one google account where gemini constantly confidently hallucinates crap, and another where it doesn't (at least to the extent that other modern LLMs don't).

I take this to mean that my one account has been mistaken for a competitor and they're trying to poison its data. But who knows.

tapoxi3 days ago
I searched for something, it told me that according to a YouTube video, the entire point of my search was wrong. I asked it for the source, I watched the video, it never made the claims Gemini hallucinated. I asked again and it claimed it scrubbed the video and found the point it made multiple times. I said those timecodes were wrong and it admitted it couldn't actually parse videos and just guessed.

What the fuck?

hnbad3 days ago
Literally every experience I've had with Gemini / Google Search AI answers followed this exact pattern, often repeated several times more if I remained persistent instead of just giving up.

Typical example:

"Where can I buy <thing I'm looking for that I can't find anywhere using normal search terms>?"

> You're looking for <related but different and widely available thing>. It is sold by <sites I never heard of>.

"No, that's different. I'm looking for <that thing but with the exact differences spelled out again>."

> Ah, my mistake. You're looking for <thing I described>. It is sold by <sites I never heard of but which don't actually sell it>.

"I've checked your links and none of those sites actually sell it, one doesn't even sell products and instead only offers manufacturing - but also not for what I asked you for."

> I'm sorry, my bad. Those sites don't sell what you are looking for. Instead you should check out <more sites I've never heard of>.

"Those sites sell the thing you initially thought I was asking about but not the thing I described."

> I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. You can find the thing you actually described at <yet more sites including some of the same>.

"No. None of these sites sell anything close to what I asked you for and two of them don't actually exist."

> Oh, sorry about that. You're completely right. The thing you asked me about isn't actually being sold by anyone. However you could buy <thing it first thought I meant and that wouldn't bring me any closer to solving my problem>.

(ad nauseam)

oofbey3 days ago
Claude also has very arbitrary and confusing rules about what web pages it allows itself to look at, and how much of the page it can read. Did you know for example you’ll get a much deeper analysis if you download a PDF yourself and upload it to Claude instead of giving it the url?

This is a key reason why I actually like Grok for factual queries based on web grounding. It’s fast and reliable. Maybe it’s ignoring robots.txt? Dunno. But it works well.

Hugsbox3 days ago
Where ever would you get that impression from the company that made its fortune by being the best at searching the web?
robin_reala3 days ago
I don’t understand how we’re 60 comments in and yet no-one has suggested that the problem is that you’re continuing to use Google despite it changing its core offering out from underneath your feet. If you want search (which isn’t an unreasonable desire) then Google isn’t the place for you any more.
kelnos3 days ago
Yup. I've been using Kagi for a couple years now and haven't looked back. If I'm on someone else's computer where I don't have my Kagi login, DuckDuckGo is usually sufficient.

Paying for search isn't for everyone, of course, but I like being the customer and not the product, and I think the quality of the experience flows from that.

walrus013 days ago
I categorically refuse to use Kagi as long as they're paying money to Yandex and funding the Russian war effort.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=kagi+yand...

NothingAboutAny2 days ago
I tried Kagi for 2 months and I found myself still reaching for google when it didn't have the results I wanted. further, a bunch of little stuff was broken here and there (a login screen taking me to search instead of assistant etc.) I felt the $5 tier was too restrictive and I didn't want to pay even more for something I perceived as not really being good enough.

if I'm paying for a search engine I'd expect it to be a little premium, but it felt like a worse google you'd only use for ideological reasons.

zymhan2 days ago
"use a different tool" is a pointless comment if the OP isn't asking for alternatives.

It's equivalent to the "if you don't like it here, leave" line used when someone complains about an issue in society.

robin_reala2 days ago
If your hammer magically morphs into a saw you don’t keep on trying to hit nails with it, you put it down and pick up a different hammer.
phoghed2 days ago
If society had been largely superseded and additionally had decent alternatives your comment would be not-shit
userbinator3 days ago
It's weird to read this comment not long after having experienced Google giving zero results for a search, and then finding what I wanted on Bing.
maven293 days ago
Bing has been better than google since 2019. Try googling in a fresh browser and see how much personalization contributes to the reranking and query rewriting.
eks3913 days ago
At work I can't customise much, like the browser I use, but I did ditch Google/Chrome for Bing/Edge years ago. Not what I would usually recommend, but when work only allows those two options...
drpixie3 days ago
On Bing!!!! Sorry, in the back of my mind, bing is that very sad MS search that was terrible at everything :) And it gave you something useful - astonishing.
tim3333 days ago
Guy ends

>I'm not sure how to feel about all of this. Maybe I should go talk to my friend Google, it's always so nice to me.

so there you go. I still use Google even if the AI is a bit weird at times - you can always ignore it.

kkkqkqkqkqlqlql3 days ago
Then what is it? DuckDuckGo?
eks3913 days ago
There are time of options. Some people find their happy place with DDG. Others with Braves Search, Kagi, Firefox. There's dozens to choose from. Opera and Vivaldi probably have search engines now if you are down to change your browser too. It depends on what your priorities are, but there's a search engine out there for you that is better than Google search
delis-thumbs-7e3 days ago
Kagi is brilliant. I find the whole Yandex -thing silly (EU spending on liquefied gas etc. from Russia is more than Yandex’s whole annual revenue) and only wish same scrutiny would be put on corporations funding Israel genocides.

I use DDG at work on Firefox with all AI blocked. If I would apart from Kagi, I would use SearXNG locally accessing it elsewhere with Tailscale. I think Hister seems promising, but have not tried it myself yet.

prinny_3 days ago
Kagi.
dartharva3 days ago
Google with the `udm=14` URL identifier. You can set it as the default search engine on all browsers, including on mobile.
driverdan3 days ago
Unfortunately DDG sucks now too. Most of the top results are LLM generated slop.
edent3 days ago
Most people in the world are profoundly lonely. They'll take whatever parasocial relationships they can get - reaction videos, podcasts of people chatting, Eliza simulating concern.

Google wants to relentlessly monetise your sadness.

The only way out is to try and make connections with real people.

Case in point, why didn't you text your friends to ask them if they remembered those old memes? Why was your first thought to ask a computer rather than a person?

It's like when you're in the pub and and someone asks "who was that guy who was in the movie where…?" you can either chat with your friends and have a good time or be a buzzkill who opens up IMDB and says "Humphrey Bogart".

iamnothere3 days ago
This is making weird judgements about people just trying to find information.

I don’t have any friends who are code inspectors, so I can’t ask them obscure questions about something that I want to repair in a way that it will be done properly.

I don’t have any friends who are mechanics, and even if they were they probably wouldn’t know what specific part I’d need to fix a specific problem on my old shitbox—they would look it up.

I don’t want half assed guesses to these questions, I want to find the exact correct answer. My friends and I can talk about other stuff that’s not just trading random facts. Trading facts usually makes for poor conversation unless you’re a hobbyist talking shop with another hobbyist.

Now Gemini (and Google) are not good at finding the right answer anymore, so I have to use other sources for that, but I find your judgement about people using search or search LLMs to be misplaced.

edent3 days ago
What's the worst that can happen if you were to text a friend "Heya mate, bit of a long shot - do you know anyone who can help repair a 1983 Reliant Robin?"

Best case, they know someone or can dig through their contact and help you solve your problem.

Medium case, they text back "No - has your shitbox died again? Can't believe you still have that thing :-)" and you can have a pleasant back and forth.

Worse case, you get a "no". Oh well, at least texts don't cost 12p each any more.

I just think it is nice to chat with your pals. But, sure, stick to scans of old manuals on Archive.org if you just want pure information.

belowavgiq3 days ago
Irrelevant nitpick, but it's definitely not "most". I'd argue it's only this common in some English speaking countries and maybe a few other Western ones. The looks I get from American friends when I tell them that yes I do see my (local) friends nearly every day, are quite funny.
JumpCrisscross3 days ago
> it's definitely not "most"

EDIT: Correct.

About a fifth of Americans report having zero friends; another fifth report feeling lonely sometimes [1].

[1] https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/us-loneliness-statistics...

dataviz10003 days ago
> Most people in the world are profoundly lonely.

I've been doing a lot of traveling for the past 3 years and I agree with you that it is `definitely not "most"`. Everywhere people interacting with each other in third spaces and cafes even if it is street food. There are open air markets around the world filled everyday with groups of people interacting with each other. There are parks and squares around the world filled with families sitting together on benches. Around the world there are churches, mosques, and temples filled with families and groups of people.

Most places in the world people will happily make small talk or have a discussion with a stranger even if I only know 100 words of their language.

Sure many or most people in some places are working 10 hours a day 6 days a week but I don't think it is the isolation I see in the United States. It is the same in De'Nang Vietnam or a market in Lima, Peru when I went everyday to get coffee in the morning; it was always the same person working ,any time or day of the week, but they were always friendly and welcoming and interacting with with the same people.

kelnos3 days ago
> The looks I get from American friends when I tell them that yes I do see my (local) friends nearly every day, are quite funny.

How old are you, though, and do you and/or your friends have kids?

When I (an American) was in my 30s, I did see my local friends (nearly) every day. Now into my mid 40s, it's a lot more intermittent, with some people having moved away (and I've failed to make new friends faster than some have moved away). They are still friends, and we communicate over chat/phone, but I only see them at most a couple times a year. Then there are others who now have young children and have become a bit more inward-focused. Not that I don't see them anymore, but I see them less often.

I of course see others on a daily basis: people I know/recognize at my yoga studio, service workers in my neighborhood, the neighbors themselves, but most of them are acquaintances, at best, not friends.

Regardless, I wouldn't say I'm lonely (though I do feel lonely on occasion), even though I can sometimes go a week or more without seeing any of my friends in person. I do worry about it being more difficult to maintain in-person friendships as I've been getting older, and the difficulty in making new friends.

To relate to the topic at hand: I cannot imagine talking to an LLM and thinking of that as a substitute for interacting with friends. Feels super weird and kinda creepy.

TomGarden3 days ago
Texting your friends for factual information doesn't seem reasonable to me. If I got that text and someone only wanted the info I'd be annoyed (and I had friends who genuinely did this pre-google. Still annoying).

I'm with you on the pub observation though

Telaneo3 days ago
> Texting your friends for factual information doesn't seem reasonable to me. If I got that text and someone only wanted the info I'd be annoyed (and I had friends who genuinely did this pre-google. Still annoying).

I don't see this as unreasonable? I've had friends text me questions about grammar, since they were learning the local language and I knew theirs, so they knew I'd be a good sanity check. Similarly, I'm the go tech support for my friend group for anything that a cursory Google search can't solve (and I assume a lot of people here are in the same situation with friends and family). I've also been asked to find 'that one image' that similarly didn't show up on Google image search for whatever reason.

Neither of these cases seem unreasonable to me. Are they to you, or do you have other cases in mind? Or is the problem that this happens too often?

what3 days ago
>It's like when you're in the pub and and someone asks "who was that guy who was in the movie where…?" you can either chat with your friends and have a good time or be a buzzkill who opens up IMDB and says "Humphrey Bogart".

I don’t really understand this. Someone wants an answer not a chat about how you don’t know?

edent3 days ago
The primary purpose of going out with your friends to the pub is social interaction. If the purpose was just to get drunk most efficiently, you'd sit at home alone and pour vodka down your gaping maw.

The purpose of talking to your friends is social interaction. If the purpose of being friends was to extract information in the most efficient manner possible, you'd replace them with Wikipedia.

Telaneo3 days ago
I've witnessed the same social dynamic happen in certain groups, but thankfully not in my own friend group. I'm unsure why. In my own friend group, that kind of question would either be answered legitimately, either by someone knowing the answer, by looking it up whereever, or it's not actually important enough to whatever point is being made that we can skip past it to continue whatever discussion is actually happening.
frays3 days ago
Do you have a citation for "most"? Or are you referring to a few specific countries in mind like Japan and South Korea?
edent3 days ago
I asked Google and it told me I was absolutely correct. So… ;-)

Loneliness rates vary by country, age, socio-economic status, health, etc. The UN has some reasonable statistics.

https://www.who.int/teams/social-determinants-of-health/demo...

There's also some detailed stats for the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/community-life-surv...

Was my use of "most" careless? Probably. Let's natter about it over a pint.

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