At Roland Garros airport on Réunion island, the ceiling design funnels a light tropical breeze into the terminal

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plantain5 days ago
Every time I have been in one of these "naturally ventilated" facilities designed to "not need AC" due to "passive cooling", they've been uncomfortably hot.

It just feels like industrial scale gas-lighting, and no one in charge can admit it doesn't work afterwards because too much was spent on it.

Is stacking solar on the roof and AC's inside really so uneconomical?

lostlogin5 days ago
It doesn't have to be all-or-nothing. Too many buildings are build with complete neglect of the environment, with huge swathes of glass facing the sun. Then we have huge chillers try to compete and bring down the temperature. A little consideration goes a long way.
polycancel5 days ago
As someone who grew up with AC, I was one time in Brazil and got stuck in a place without AC. Needless to say the first few nights was hell. I just couldn't follow asleep. However after few days, my body just adjust to the local temperature, and really enjoyed it. In fact, going into mall with AC just feels too cold for me then. Of course there is a limit to what our body can endure, but there is something to be said about exposing and adapting our body to the natural elements instead of just adjusting the environment to make what is comfortable to our body.
jltsiren5 days ago
I live in a place with very little need for heating and air conditioning. If I don't do anything, indoor temperatures vary between 17°C and 27°C around the year. I've noticed that I prefer 24–25°C during the day in the summer and 21–22°C in the winter, and a bit less when I'm sleeping.

When I travel around the US, most places are too cold for my taste. Conference rooms are the worst, as I can't adjust the temperature myself and I often spend hours in them without much physical activity. I guess many Americans don't acclimatize to warmer temperatures, because their summers are uncomfortably hot.

And when I return from long hikes high up in the mountains, even that 17°C feels too hot for sleeping for a few days.

zamadatix5 days ago
There's certainly a level of acclimation but if it were truly as enjoyable people wouldn't bother with cooling/heating buildings except in the most hostile environments.
OptionOfT5 days ago
I live in Phoenix. Very well adjusted to the temperature here. You sweat more. It was 75 yesterday, walked outside, started to shiver. Weird.
xattt5 days ago
My mind goes to the “stickiness” and dampness of higher humidity days.

You can blow the warm air around all you want, but it’s inevitable there will be cooler less-porous surfaces that will condense warming mid-morning air, leaving puddles and wet spots.

Maybe this is a regional design where folks are used to this.

throwaway1988465 days ago
Wasn't a problem in such a building I visited but it had an essentially massive thermal battery (mass) cooled at night.
mejutoco5 days ago
It would be interesting to have more details about the facilities where you stayed, especially before industrial scale accusations. It would improve the conversation.
athrun5 days ago
Funny seeing an article about Reunion island on HN.

I’m very familiar with this airport, and from my perspective the engineers behind the project did a very good job designing a building that can take best advantage of its location. See, the airport is located alongside the coast, and the sea breeze there can be pretty powerful.

Note that this is a new building (dedicated to arrivals), and is adjacent to the original building, which is still in use for departures. The old building is also mostly passively cooled, and the difference in perceived temperature between the two is striking. The old terminal behaves more like a concrete bunker and can get very stuffy. In contrast, this new arrival hall feels a bit like you’re on the deck of a ship at sea.

I have plenty of other issues about other elements of the new building, but that part works pretty well!

fouc5 days ago
>“Our objective is to maintain an indoor air temperature identical to the outdoor temperature while generating an airflow of 1 metre per second to reduce the perceived temperature for passengers.”

so it's not "cooled" at all

lostlogin5 days ago
Thats correct, but warm air that is moving cools you more than the same air when it's still.
excannuk5 days ago
At 35 C moving air heats you up. Like in a convection oven.
nitwit0055 days ago
> Ceiling fans with a 7.5-metre (24.6ft) diameter help to circulate the air.

Giant fans are rather different than "natural ventilation" mentioned in the headline.

viraptor5 days ago
Circulating the air is what happens inside. Ventilation in architecture is across the inside-outside boundary.
rayiner5 days ago
> Ceiling fans with a 7.5-metre (24.6ft) diameter help to circulate the air. In the 30C (86F) humid heat of Réunion’s wet summers, which last from around November to April, the resulting breeze reduces the perceived temperature by four to five degrees, to almost the same level usually set for air conditioning.

Who sets their air conditioning to 82F?

Doing this in a tropical country is penny-wise and pound foolish. As Lee Kuan Yew said, you need air conditioning to be able to think in a tropical country: https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2024/09/air-conditioning-on...

"Air conditioning was a most important invention for us, perhaps one of the signal inventions of history. It changed the nature of civilization by making development possible in the tropics. Without air conditioning you can work only in the cool early-morning hours or at dusk. The first thing I did upon becoming prime minister was to install air conditioners in buildings where the civil service worked. This was key to public efficiency."

theodric5 days ago
>Who sets their air conditioning to 82F?

Italy did! The minimum summer temperature was only 1.4°F less than that. Dunno if they've kept it up. Summer this year was brutal in Europe. https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italians-sweat-for-ukrai...

I'm reminded of the situation at Verizon in Switzerland ~12 years ago where they didn't have any central air conditioning in the building "for the environment." Swiss summers can be HOT. I've seen 40°C/104°F in my time there. This ended up with a bunch of engineers buying floorstanding AC units for their desks that blew cold air onto them and barfed the resultant differential + work heat out the rear vent. Truly insane.

hollerith5 days ago
During the energy crisis in the summer of 1979, President Jimmy Carter issued an emergency conservation plan that mandated air conditioning thermostats in public and commercial buildings be set no lower than 78 degrees Fahrenheit, which is not too far from 80.6 degrees.

The mandate remained in effect for about nineteen months until President Reagan rescinded it less than a month into his presidency.

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