Million-dollar fines won’t end billionaires’ data center pollution, neighbors fear.

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29 comments

dam_jackalopes6 days ago
"Backlash was immediate, however, when Vineland’s mayor and council proposed giving DataOne a $6.2 million loan."

These poor data center operators do really need a hand up after all. Incredible. Of all of the things your municipality could use its development funds on, this would not make my shortlist.

xrd6 days ago
Wasn't colossus (Musk/grok) data center in Nashville powered by gas generators? And, xai just ignored the environmental regulation preventing it? Am I misremembering?
marcusb6 days ago
It is in the Memphis area - not Nashville - but yes, they use gas turbine generators.
sagarm6 days ago
> transitioning to low emission quiet fuel cells

Does this technology even exist? The lies are getting more brazen.

VogonPoetry6 days ago
Bloom Energy makes fuel cells that can run on natural gas. This site would need a very large number of them to replace gas generators. Each "bloom box" can create 325kW and are about 1m x 1m x 2m in size.

They make sort of whine/squeal noise when operating. Not sure of the dB level.

San Jose Ice Rink has had a bunch of these installed out back for about 10 years I think.

4d4m4 days ago
It makes me happy to see these in use I always wondered if they would have commercial uptake and reliability
nancyminusone6 days ago
Well, most of the results on google images for "natural gas fuel cell" are of renderings or diagrams instead of actual equipment, that sould say something. Probably that they arent very common.
lazide6 days ago
‘Low emission’ is remarkably unitless isn’t it?

Compared to an open hearth steam engine burning coal, coal plants are also remarkably low emission hah

lovich6 days ago
1.1 million dollars and they are still allowed to run the gas generators?

I think this is inaccurately called a fine when it sounds like a retroactively applied permit fee to operate.

DamnInteresting6 days ago
> retroactively applied permit fee

This sounds like a euphemism for "bribe." And if you replace "fee" with "expense" you get a hum-dinger of an acronym.

lazide6 days ago
I lived in India for awhile once, and some Indians and I were discussing corruption.

Notably, when in India I personally never really experienced corruption directly. It never came up, oddly. I’ve seen it first hand in the US a lot.

I described US corruption as more systematized in this exact way.

Most commercial development requires permits. Permits require plan approvals. Plan approvals always require some kind of sop to the politicians/cities vested interests - pay for a park, or donate money to specific causes, or carve out some specific amount of ‘affordable housing’ their buddy administers, etc.

Don’t do that, city generally won’t approve it.

Is that a bribe? Corruption? Or just good governance?

Most residential stuff bypasses this kind of thing for 99% of use cases, so individuals rarely see it.

In India, you’ll just find impossible to navigate paperwork mazes and near impossible permitting standards, but enforcement which magically disappears if you’re friends with the right person, in the right ethnic group, or a cash payment to the right person happens.

Which actually really isn’t that different, is it?

Just more out in the open and with more lawyers involved in the US, I guess.

etempleton6 days ago
1.1 million? You are basically telling them that they made the right choice to break the law.

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