LA Metro’s design specifications state that its escalators go 90 feet per minute, slower than nearly everything we found.

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arionhardison4 days ago
I lived in DTLA for several years and regularly used Little Tokyo/Arts District station. It was not uncommon during peak hours to see people - myself included sliding down the railing.

I am 43 years old now and was much younger then (27-35) but I remember these days fondly. Now I live in NYC where public transit it so much better that this and many other issues that plague LA (especially the redline) do not exist but I do miss those days and look back on them fondly.

I still have at least 1 scar I can attribute to trying this whilst wearing the wrong pants (in terms of fabric).

raegis4 days ago
> I lived in DTLA for several years and regularly used Little Tokyo/Arts District station. It was not uncommon during peak hours to see people - myself included sliding down the railing.

The Little Tokyo stop had no stairs or escalators before 2023, since it was at grade then. Do you mean a different stop?

Also, the busiest stations with huge escalator length, like Union Station or Wilshire/Vermont, have so much open space that escalators are rarely a bottleneck in my experience. 7th St/Metro station is crazy crowded, but the escalators are short and people usually give you room to run down the escalator.

The only station I worry about for future congestion is the Grand Ave station, which has no escalators, but is so deep that you have to take an elevator since walking stairs is not reasonable except for emergencies.

arionhardison4 days ago
TY, you are correct; it was Civic Center/Grand Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_Center/Grand_Park_statio...

Thank you, I got to do down memory lane checking this.

TylerE4 days ago
Unfortunately NY transit sucks if you're disabled and can't deal with stairs.
arionhardison4 days ago
I didn't know this but given the multiple: "This is an accessible station" alerts it makes sense. Hopefully this is something that can change soon.
TitaRusell4 days ago
In the Netherlands neither the escalator nor the elevator will work.
ThePowerOfFuet4 days ago
Paris, too.
WalterBright4 days ago
I once worked in a Japanese tower for a few weeks. The office was on the 6th floor. I'd play beat-the-elevator with my coworkers. They'd get in the machine, as I casually leaned against the wall.

As soon as the doors closed, I'd sprint up the stairs, with the intent of lounging against the wall, pretending I am not breathing hard, and pretending to look at my watch.

Unfortunately, I rarely made it past the 5th floor sprinting. But there was still enough time to walk up the last flight and implement my evil plan.

My coworkers just looked at me with their "gaijin" expression.

aeronaut804 days ago
I did similar at university. Only two flights of stairs, but one time I pressed the Up button on the middle floor so they got an extra stop and more time to regret their choice :-) Fun times.
dmurray4 days ago
Some stations in Prague were at 200 cm/s, according to some sources [0] before EU regulations cut it to a maximum of 90 cm/s (TFA puts Prague at 65 cm/s today, and you know, I'm not on a Prague escalator right now, so I suppose I'll trust them).

I can't find a better source for just how fast the Prague escalators were, but as an occasional user they seemed more than twice as fast as London or Paris which TFA gives as 65-75 cm/s.

They felt dangerous to step onto, but I never saw anyone actually have an accident. The metro in Prague is also deeper than most.

[0] https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/prague-s-speedy-len...

embedding-shape4 days ago
Borderline off-topic, but Prague also have a "Paternoster Lift" (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/paternoster-lift-at-prag...) that seems well-maintained that I've always wanted to visit, but haven't had the chance yet.
MaxRegret4 days ago
There's also one in the Vienna city hall that's open to the public. The free guided tour of city hall is also worth the time.
RugnirViking4 days ago
about 3 years ago I randomly stayed in an airbnb in an apartment block in lisbon that had one ! Theyre still around in old buildings, it felt very sketchy but I got used to it after the first couple times
gniv4 days ago
I remember taking the escalators in Moscow in the 80s and thinking they were freakishly fast. According to this article they are not that fast. I wonder if they lowered the speed or it was just my lack of familiarity with long escalators.
clan4 days ago
You are not wrong. I have tried some of the faster ones in Prague and Kiev. The difference in numbers does not sound like much but it sure does in real life.

The speed combined with the wind can be quite wild.

You might also enjoy this comparison with London:

https://youtu.be/UWJot1Q2LgY

The video also explains that escalator speed is now set via international standards.

gniv3 days ago
Wow, funny and informative that video.

The salient bit: The Prague escalators were made by the Soviets and ran at 0.9m/s (aka very fast) so it's likely the ones I rode in Moscow were similar. They are "illegal" now and being replaced.

lostlogin4 days ago
That video is surprisingly interesting.

Thank you.

qurren4 days ago
I thought the escalators in the Budapest metro were pretty damn fast. I went there in 2005, not sure if they've changed them since.
big_toast6 days ago
LA: 0.46 meters/s (1 mph)

Hong Kong: 0.75 meters/s (1.7 mph)

Kyiv: 0.9 meters/s (2 mph)

Kinda slower than I expected in general. I assume the speed is mostly dictated by boarding/alighting safety.

Animats4 days ago
Kyiv subway stations are also air raid shelters.[1] They may have decided that running the escalators fast to get people to safety is worth the risk.

[1] https://visitkyiv.com/visitor-essentials/kyiv-shelter-map/

invader4 days ago
Yes, they are used as air raid shelters, but they were designed like that in the first place. Some of them lie really deep - especially the ones in the city center.

Kyiv metro is one of the deepest in the world. We have one station that is 105 meters deep. So even with fast escalators, it feels like an eternity to go up and down there.

big_toast4 days ago
I was wondering if there’s something different about the escalator manufacturer or design. Like longer landing areas or boarding area with extended hand rails. If you had any familiarity with them.
nephihaha4 days ago
That was standard across major Soviet cities.
jen204 days ago
They were running much faster than the “west” in 2015-2020 too, so I doubt that is the reason.
lostlogin4 days ago
> Kyiv subway stations are also air raid shelters

When building them, they probably didn’t expect to be hiding from Russian attacks.

cucumber37328424 days ago
3mph is a pretty solid walk. 2 doesn't sound bad for an escalator.
dylan6044 days ago
It's not the speed of travel that gets you. It's the sudden rate change from/to walking speed.

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