Just to preface, this isn't the typical "Am I being replaced by vibe coding" post. I just had a talk with one of my first ongoing clients, who sort of helped me kickstart my freelancing "career". He is one of those…

30 points•platevoltage•7 days ago•51 comments•
Just to preface, this isn't the typical "Am I being replaced by vibe coding" post.

I just had a talk with one of my first ongoing clients, who sort of helped me kickstart my freelancing "career". He is one of those people who has a broad understanding of the tech out there, and what its capabilities are, but is not a programmer. He wanted to show me, and get my opinion on a restaurant management app that he's been using Lovable to develop. Admittedly, a lot of it is very impressive, and he has obviously become very good at using these tools. Part of that scares me, but I've largely accepted the reality that my skillset has to expand beyond being a React code monkey (wish is not what I am, but you get the point). I've always been a curious generalist, so picking up new stuff comes easily, and I'll manage.

Anyways, here's the part that feels really gross. He's working on a feature that does some automated marketing using Higgsfield, so automated slop posting. Also a feature that consumes reviews from vendors, and he intends to use agents to post reviews as well.

I'm 43, I managed to convince my parents to get AOL when I was 12. I made a Geocities site at 14. I've been obsessed with computers and the internet for my entire life. I'm also an artist who had a somewhat successful run as a touring musician, much to the detriment of my career growth (not much money in Punk).

I feel the hobbies that I've been nurturing for my entire life are being destroyed by people who have finally found an entry point that requires the smallest amount of effort. We are literally watching the dead internet happen in real time, social media turning into a AI slop gallery, AI music topping the charts, and I just had a one-on-one conversation with someone that just doesn't care, because they get to feel creative for possibly the first time ever.

How are you all dealing with this?

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FlowingRiver7 days ago
I am dealing with it by walking away from the internet and connected technology as much as possible.

Unfortunately, generally if people can do something, they will. And with AI systems they have been given one of the largest short cuts possible, thus they take it relentlessly. There is no concern for quality so long as it is good enough to benefit them.

They will try to rationalize it but it typically ends up in moral corruption of "If I don't, they will."

It saddens me because I saw the vision of what computers and connected technology could be in the 90's and 2000's, only to see it turn bitter.

I remember reading an essay by Richard Stallman calling all this kind of stuff out in the late 1980's and I kind of hate that he got it so right. In assuming that many will take the power play and the convenience means that this is the path we take.

The more you can walk away form this stuff the better even if you don't want to.

markus_zhang7 days ago
I agree with this sentiment. I’m going back to books, notebooks and a unconnected computer if I genuinely want to learn some programming —- to bang my head against the walls so many times until I get it —- like what people did before the Internet era.
rafterydj5 days ago
That's one of the reasons my new side project is using C99. No idea if it will work, but I'm hoping that once I get comfortable working with it I won't need to get help from Google/forums/LLMs as much, and I can have an actual good day again.
frigg6 days ago
>I remember reading an essay by Richard Stallman calling all this kind of stuff out in the late 1980's and I kind of hate that he got it so right.

What essay is that?

Tony_Delco7 days ago
The cost of producing code has dropped to almost zero, but the cost of knowing whether that code is actually useful hasn't.

I think the same is true for images, videos, and music. The cost of producing content is approaching zero, but taste, originality, judgment, and intent still matter.

In a world where anyone can create almost anything, having good taste could become increasingly important.

fanlinewtime6 days ago
I still believe that only works that touch one’s own heart can resonate with others. Moreover, constant reliance on AI will cause creators’ own talents to wither away.
kypro6 days ago
> In a world where anyone can create almost anything, having good taste could become increasingly important.

The latest models from OpenAI and Anthropic are starting to develop taste imo. Specifically Astra and Opus 5.5.

It's not quite there yet, but also far from the slop models were producing this time last year.

dabinat6 days ago
I disagree. Taste is different between two different people, so even if AI develops taste, it may not be your taste. Part of product design is knowing which features to say no to, which compromises are necessary, and which parts to never compromise. Two people will have different ideas about what those should be.
platevoltage5 days ago
This ain't it. Machines don't have taste. They try to emulate the taste of people, which creates a terrible feedback loop. This is exactly why I made this post.
rezolver6 days ago
I have worked professionally in programming for about 35 years, and before that, I was part of the demoscene. As I see it, the programming profession has evolved multiple times throughout my career. Things have continuously been abstracted into new layers, but the shift has never been as fundamental as it is today with AI.

What is happening now is that we are essentially abstracting away the entire coding layer, and partly even architecture and technology all at once (we aren't quite there yet, but we will be soon). What hasn't changed, and never will, is the human vision, the ideas of how new, innovative software (rather than just a clone) should be structured and how it should function.

I believe this shift is highly democratizing. It means teenagers can build cool new games, and financial minds can create the next great finance app. The hard part is no longer the programming itself; it is the software craftsmanship. It is about building an innovative and genuinely useful product, rather than just writing complex code (an identity we programmers have clung to for a long time). We have transitioned from being mere coders to true developers.

I also hope that young people today get the same opportunity to connect with software development as we did back in the Commodore 64 era. Only today, it isn't about squeezing every last drop of performance out of limited hardware, it is about bringing something truly useful or fun straight from your imagination into reality.

frigg6 days ago
>but the shift has never been as fundamental as it is today with AI.

How are we so sure? I'm not old enough to have lived through every/many big shifts in our industry but how do we know this is not what people who lived through the compiler-shift era felt? Or people who saw higher level languages like C or C++ be created, or the punch cards getting replaced with a digital display?

This AI stuff feels magical and so much bigger than other shifts, but maybe only in retrospect.

rafterydj5 days ago
I upvoted you because I think your point is well said, but I do disagree. Primarily because the fundamental shift you mention is not just the coding layer, nor the architecture, nor even the "human vision" component - it is and will continue to be a funnel for slop.

Skilled programmers may continue to be able to work with it, but only while their understanding of what the software is holds out. In my opinion there is no learning to be had with these tools beyond familiarizing someone with the beginner stages of what programming arts can produce. Things like version control, explanation of fundamental data structures, easily understood scripts, etc.

But when the "sloppification" creeps in on large projects (which happened before AI but is much faster these days), the opacity of the codebase increases an order of magnitude faster than it's transparency. Thus far LLMs are not immune to confusion or mistakes, and so it stands to reason, it will not be possible to build ever new complex software with this technology.

Because of that, it's trivial to see that the skills involved are still required, but with much less incentive to learn them. Not only is it far, far easier to take shortcuts with Claude than it is a Commodore 64, it also rewards shortcuts with faster results at the expense of true understanding. This means that the next generation using these tools won't be filtered out by determination and troubleshooting to the same degree as the last. The Commodore 64 produced a generation of programmers; Claude Code will produce a generation of administrative software users.

While I'm being critical, I do want to state that administrative software users are absolutely needed in society. It's just not the same thing as what you and I call programming, the main difference being the expectation of creating or at least the capacity to create something new. That is, not another clone of an existing project, or a new integration of an existing plugin architecture. I'm not saying we won't progress as a society, but it's my belief that LLMs won't "democratize" software - they will drown it.

bruce5117 days ago
Every industry goes through a cycle of birth, explosion of creativity, enormous profitability, followed by consolidation and a small corporate class, and a large hobby class.

A time ago, sewing and tailoring was a valuable skill. Cheap clothes made it unnecessary. Today sewing is a hobby and most people who sew do so at a lower quality than a machine. You can say the same about pottery and ceramics.

There was a time when there were hundreds of car companies. Folks who wanted to could build a car, or plane, from scratch. That's not possible anymore.

Today lots of people cook at home at a level far superior to (at least) fast food restaurants. But of course fast food still exists.

I have been lucky to spend my career at the birth of the industry. It is now moving into the next stage, the commoditization of the skill set. I've seen the industry change before though, this is just the next cycle of that.

Lots of people will make a lot of software for themselves. But they won't sell it. Lots of other people will buy software because programming (ai or not) won't interest them. Programming isn't the skill here. Everything else in the business is.

ezulabs6 days ago
(Tree was full of apples before, easy to grab, and no one even knew it. Later we started to jump, climb and find new ways that was progressive and very exciting. All a sudden they figure out the tree that was already running out of apples, so what. Find a new one that requires tools/skills not much people has and still valuable, it is much harder to say but you are already one of the people who can and should. Your 12 year old of your self used curiosity, passion, what ever the motive is still there, just kick start it again, find your new AOL, do your first new Geocities level project that matches today's tech.That means imo it is time for you to train your first llm, dig into how inference works. Or write your first arduboy game for fun. The new challenging stuff that they can not touch any time soon hopefully that will trigger back your curiosity and passion. Best of luck! My 2 cents.)
platevoltage6 days ago
I haven't lost my curiosity and passion, but thanks for your concern.

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