Now that I have the full picture, the load-bearing seams are much clearer. They are not merely incidental details around the edges. They materially change how the entire situation needs to be understood, and that is…

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NichoPaolucci7 days ago
The only thing I find funnier than this article is that some people think that LLMs are communicating at a “higher level” than humans and developing some alien language.

The amount of ambiguity is astonishing to me, maybe I’m wrong but there’s just no way that two agents in a clean room wouldn’t devolve into absolute insanity.

antoineMoPa7 days ago
It's like corporate lingo for computers.
mohamedkoubaa7 days ago
Devolve implies it starts elsewhere
dude2507117 days ago
Mutually coalescing on a local maximum of abstract concepts over-represented among data distribution weights.
scottyah7 days ago
The only thing worse than reading the repetitive claude-ism's while using the actual tool is seeing (likely human) efforts to reproduce it on every comment and blog.
bigwheels7 days ago
I've noticed Claude-ish increasingly creeping into how folks write on HN. It is unfortunate, but not really surprising given how many of the participants in this community are exposed to reams of AI writing on a daily or even hourly basis.

Given the hundreds of thousands I've burned in tokens over the past year, I'm surprised to not have picked up more of that nonsense (AFAICT I haven't :>).

Alternative possibility: Is it that people are using AI to craft their replies? Also yucky.

fidotron7 days ago
> Alternative possibility: Is it that people are using AI to craft their replies? Also yucky.

Or they have OpenClaw using claude to karma farm, for . . . reasons.

The amount of absolutely bizarre comments you get on here these days is nuts. It always used to be a bit special, but this year is something else.

ZeWaka7 days ago
> Is it that people are using AI to craft their replies?

Very likely at least one person is.

rco87867 days ago
Yes I’ve noticed AI speak popping up more in verifiably human communications also.
7e7 days ago
Rather than trust your memory, let me verify that.
cortesoft7 days ago
You are absolutely right, and that's on me.

I think this breaks me out of the actual work I am doing more than anything else Claude does. Every time it tries to offer some mea culpa for a mistake it made, it sounds so ridiculous. Those sorts of responsibility accepting statements are important for humans because there are real emotional entanglements involved in working together. This isn't true with an AI, and when it fakes it, it just confuses the situation more.

I don't mind when Claude says it will make a note of the mistake to avoid it in the future, because that is an actual thing it is doing that might make a difference. But accepting responsibility does nothing, and doesn't mean anything for future interactions.

wgd7 days ago
> likely human

X to doubt. I think the more parsimonious explanation is that a lot people are lazy and/or uncaring, and given the option to avoid thinking while still producing a vaguely equivalent [1] output they're taking it.

[1] For a loose definition of "equivalent" where they clearly either don't notice the Claudeslop or don't care enough to avoid it, of course.

phoronixrly7 days ago
Oh I am doing it on purpose lately here in HN, and it's hella hard to sound as dumb, repetitive and cliche as Claude.
datadrivenangel7 days ago
thelaxiankey7 days ago
Haha :/ one of the sad things for me is that prior to LLMs I had a fairly LLMish writing style. Kinda formal, lots of bullet points and em dashes, two instances before etc, etc. since the debut of gpts I've had to adjust my style to be marginally more opaque so that I don't get mistaken for an LLM
shibel7 days ago
Love it (the mockery, that is). So far Opus 5.5 feels noticeably better in this regard (oh, and it’s fast!), but I felt the same about Fable initially. Not buying into the nerfing theories yet but if I find myself going into LLM-tilt again soon then I might join the club.
wgd7 days ago
Opus 5.5 is better but by no means good at writing IMO. Still loves "noun verbs the object" sentences where the verb is an inappropriate and imprecise metaphor. Still loves negating premises nobody previously advocated for. Still loves incorporating irrelevant details of a conversation or investigation into comments and documentation. I don't think I've seen "load-bearing" myself yet but there's still a lot of things landing and being held.
nxobject7 days ago
I laughed, and then I cried, and then I laughed again. Bravo. I'm going to go vomit while trying not to choke it up with laughter.

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