Citizens of Springfield, Missouri showed up to a city council meeting to discuss the city’s Flock contract. The mayor shut them down and arrested two people for ‘disruption of meetings of city council.’

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p_j_w8 days ago
>The cop said, “You’re under arrest,” grabbed her arms, and pulled her out of the room. “I can do this all night. I get paid by the hour,” the cop added.

Two sentences showing precisely why no one can trust the police. Not only are they completely unaccountable, but they will trample your first amendment rights and do so with smug amusement in full public view. These are the kinds of people we're supposed to be happy to give massive surveillance power to?

letn17 days ago
Well this is how it has been in russia, last 10 years. Started like this got worse with each year.
rdiddly7 days ago
I don't even get what the comment has to do with anything. Is it supposed to be some kind of zinger? It's a great idea. Make him spend all night arresting people.
paulddraper7 days ago
Have you not heard similar from parents/teachers/chaperons?

"I will take as long as I need, to get you to comply. Your resistance doesn't make this go away, it just prolongs the inevitable."

snvzz6 days ago
Body cameras say otherwise.
tavavex7 days ago
Article: city council purposefully cancels the public comment segment of an extremely divisive issue that people came to protest, arrests two people, cop makes clearly sadistic comment, the direct will of the people is beaten into submission by using the powers of the council to derail any possible opposing words or actions

Comment thread: but what about her decorum? Did you see the middle fingers she was putting up? Why didn't she comply with the procedure and sinned by commenting on an unrelated topic after they canceled the appropriate one? Are we sure she didn't break any other laws here? What if she looked at someone the wrong way? Are we sure we want to permit this behavior in our society? And why is the article quoting the cop? Isn't it a bit divisive to just use the officer's own words to make him look like a monster? Why aren't we talking about the real issue?

When you wonder how average people let dictatorial power grow unchecked in their societies, refer to the above.

paulddraper6 days ago
It's like people have never been to a city council meeting or know how they or their schedules operate.
armadyl7 days ago
Improved title:

Woman Arrested, Dragged Away After Speaking About Flock (YC 17) at City Council Meeting

_trampeltier7 days ago
As an european guy. Interesting to see things happen from far away. Knowing that crazy country has so much power, makes the near future of the whole world even more scary.
someonebaggy7 days ago
It's not that much different in the most powerful parts of Europe. For instance Germany does this to people who talk about Palestine. So does the UK. Poland does it to people who talk about gay rights. I don't know the equivalent in Spain, France or Italy.
ludicrousdispla7 days ago
For Spain it would probably be Catalan Independence, for France any mention of air conditioning technologies, and for Italy it's pineapple on pizza.
antonvs4 days ago
Notice that all your examples are cases of speech supporting some out-group being suppressed.

In the Flock camera case, there's no out-group: the speech being suppressed is supporting the rights of US citizens.

On a scale of zero to Mussolini, the US is much closer to the right of that scale at this point.

CalRobert7 days ago
Indeed. Though omnipresent surveillance and restricted speech is an issue in some of Europe too.
izacus7 days ago
On the other hand, I see a lot of HackerNewsers and European geeks utterly angry at laws that forbid (blanket) recording of public places and GDPR which controls what the videos can be used for.

Every EU topic here is filled with people wishing for its destruction and dismantling of such privacy protecting laws.

dsign7 days ago
xnickb7 days ago
Thankfully we have no voting power in the said country so they don't care what we think as long as we consume and overall behave. Let's see how long this lasts though. It seems as though EU is approaching the finding out stage.
talon86357 days ago
EU is covered in cameras, possibly more than USA
input_sh7 days ago
One major difference between being covered with CCTV cameras and what Flock is doing is the CC part of that acronym.
jimt12347 days ago
Back in the 90s, when I wore a younger man's clothes, I got a 'disturbing the peace' citation from the Modesto Police Department, the world's finest law enforcement agency (major sarcasm; they're horrible). Two cop cars were parked side-by-side, drivers chatting, blocking the only exit from a parking lot. I gave a little toot of the horn in my '87 Honda Prelude (I loved that car!). The cops didn't move. I gave another little toot. No movement, but they both turned their heads and looked right at me, irritated. I was in a hurry to get home and watch the VHS I had just rented, so I laid on the horn, really loud, just held it down. One cop got out, walked over to my car, told me he could arrest me and hold me in jail all night, just if he felt like it. Then he gave me the 'disturbing the peace' ticket.

I actually went to court to fight it, but the cop didn't show up. Case dismissed.

If you're currently living in Modesto, here's a song for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spsiGPa4aaY

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