The pub's owners said the vinyl sticker is a "temporary solution" and will soon be replaced.

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saaaaaam7 days ago
Maybe the art is the letter and the resulting media outrage rather than the mural itself, like the Leeds 13 “Going Places” degree show.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/jun/08/martinwainwright

retrocryptid7 days ago
My favourite commentary of specific art pieces comes from Patrick MacGoohan who said (of a piece of modern art) "it means what it is."

Were John Berger here, I'm sure he would remind us all that art does not exist in a vacuum, but lives in a social context.

The most meaningful (to me) critique of AI generated works are that they deprive the artist of the benefit of the investigation. As media become more disconnected (intermediated), the reasoning path between urge and resolution is obscured for the artist.

Generative models are highly intermediated.

The purpose of art may be thought of as the effort to produce artifacts. But at a societal level it is a process to reveal "truths" embedded in commonly held "lies."

I like this specific piece in the same way I liked Duchamp's urinal. It makes a statement about art more than being art. And in concretizing that statement raises itself to the status of "art."

But if Duchamp (or anyone else) tried to pass off a second urinal as a second fountain, the impact would not be there and it would not be art.

Which is to say... I think the Bedminster piece IS art because of its context. But subsequent AI generated pieces would need to be judged on different merits.

If the Bedminster piece is indicative of the quality of output of generative AI, human artists have nothing new to fear.

There has always been the danger of art patrons subsidizing substandard public art because of budget concerns. This is just the next chapter in that story.

Bedminster is not known for its patronage, and it's unlikely that will change anytime soon.

Though yes, to the degree that generative models rip off existing artists, whirl it around in a convolutional neural network and barf up something... Yes, this is a prime example of what Massimo Vignelli called "visual pollution."

OhMeadhbh7 days ago
Bonus points for wedging a Vignelli quote in your response.
voidfunc7 days ago
Artists unhappy the money train is ending, News at 11.
tom_7 days ago
"The money train". Very good. If AI ever takes your job, might I suggest a second career as a comedian.
OhMeadhbh7 days ago
I think artists are unhappy that something that does not fit all the criteria for "art" is being described as "art."
rf157 days ago
especially since unpracticed people are suddenly all "hey look at me I'm an artist" after pushing one (1) button
gchamonlive7 days ago
Where's the money train in painting murals?
cwillu7 days ago
Was that an N scale train?
jeezfrk7 days ago
Smaller than N.
happytoexplain7 days ago
Hideous.
joshstrange7 days ago
> Raines added local artists would have been "very willing to help" create a temporary mural, had they been asked.

For free? I find these arguments completely unconvincing and they completely ignore the extra work that would entail.

Does art stop being art because it was AI generated? I don't think so. Just like code is code is code no matter how it came into being. There is still good code and bad code but that exists separately from "was it AI generated". Judge things based on their merits, not their origins.

I look forward to a future where artists embrace AI tooling to further their work. I reject completely the idea that art must be 100% human created. For starters because it's absurd on the face of it, you might as well say no technology at all can be used and it still be called "art", and yes that includes your brushes and paints. You can see how this is an absurd idea. It's my understanding that often artists use other people to assemble their art pieces and/or fill-in painting on something like a mural. Since the artist didn't actually make it with their own hands is it no longer art?

There is just simply no logical place to draw the line on this and I'll be glad when we've moved past this distraction from progress. AI is another tool in the toolbox, avoiding it for the sake of avoiding it is silly and self-defeating.

happytoexplain7 days ago
> Does art stop being art because it was AI generated? I don't think so.

I think so, but I also don't feel strongly about that. I.e. I don't think there is one correct definition of the word "art", and I also don't think it matters in practice, most of the time. It's easily the most subjective word in our language, and arguments about its meaning are moot in most contexts.

In this context: AI art is, conceptually, obnoxious and offensive, like the smell of rotting garbage. Whether it's also "art" by dictionary definition is secondary, and not interesting.

cyanydeez7 days ago
it's not pornography, but art is a subjective thing, so you really can't argue that AI art is valid, because Art is subjective.

You can, however, argue that you like the art I guess.

bigstrat20037 days ago
> Does art stop being art because it was AI generated? I don't think so.

Yes it does. Art is a form of expression, and clankers don't have sentience or intelligence to express themselves.

> Just like code is code is code no matter how it came into being.

Code is a functional thing, not a form of expression. Though LLMs aren't good at that, either.

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