The warmth of sunlight is not a reliable indicator of how quickly you will sunburn in a given situation. On one hand, you can still get sunburned on a cooler...
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Not a skin-scientist, but this seems misleading: Sunburn is not caused by some bad DNA floating around, nor damaged cells making making mistakes or pumping out wrong proteins to inflame their neighbors.
Instead, your cells have techniques to measure a variety of risk factors and signals (which does include DNA-molecule weirdness [0]) and when things get too risky the well-behaved ones will self-destruct, to avoid the chance of turning into a cancer.
So the sunburn you see and feel is instead due to cells signalling "something damaged me and I can't be trusted, I'm shutting down, recycle me" to your immune-system, plus the attendant bustle of hazmat-cleanup and increased security-sweeps for cancer-leftovers and other potential causes of the damage.
Or the other way radiation sickness is the deepest worst sunburn you have ever had.
The sunburn you feel isn't a distress signal from cells warning that they can't be trusted, it's tissue death and an inflammatory reaction triggered by a cytokine response.
> The sunburn you feel isn't a distress signal from cells warning that they can't be trusted, it's tissue death and an inflammatory reaction triggered by a cytokine response.
I feel that's more of a restatement than a contradiction.
The cell shutdown is (eventually) violent and messy, signalling involves cytokines, and the "hazmat and security" metaphor is an inflammation response.
Or for something a bit more immediate and casual, the Kurzgesagt playlist of immune-system videos. [0]
[0] https://www.youtube.com/show/VLPLFs4vir_WsTyS2cy4vj4obl5igqC...
I think the "real" test would be to just shine a UV light in a dark room, to see if the source can be identified while blindfolded, or something.
It usually goes together with bright direct sunlight in the summer, so I think most people don't learn to notice or distinguish it.
But I find that it's on particular overcast days in the summer, when there is no direct sunlight, that you can feel it intensely without the accompanying sunlight/heat. It reminds me to put on sunblock. But it's not all overcast days -- it's strongest when there's a light cloudy "haze". In contrast, when it's thick clouds approaching thunderstorm, you obviously don't feel it at all.
So it's that kind of thing that's hard to judge before you go outside, but as soon as you do, you get a clear "oh, I definitely need to go back in and put in sunblock" or "oh, this is fine, no sunblock needed today".
The best way I can explain it is as kind of an "oppressive" feeling, almost like a kind of pressure on your skin. Like, you can describe heat that way too -- oppressive or like a kind of pressure -- but in this case, you're feeling those things when there is no heat.
And when you are at the beach on a hot sunny day, I find it kind of magical how the sunblock removes the feeling entirely. It's still sunny and bright and hot, but you don't feel the oppressive/pressure feeling together with it.
Actinic?
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This is in Australia where the hole in the ozone layer often results in 10x ‘normal’ UV levels, you can get noticeably burned in a few minutes.
Some parts of South America have a UV index twice that of Sydney’s maximum. All of the actually extreme UV index locales are extreme altitude and near equatorial.
By 10x you mean 10% more, and by ozone layer you mean the fact that the southern hemisphere's summer coincides with Earth's perihelion while the northern hemisphere's summer coincides with aphelion.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2025-02-04/sun-summer-uv...
Details: https://pdb101.rcsb.org/motm/91
UVB light can promote DNA repair pathways:
Enhancement of UVB-induced DNA damage repair after a chronic low-dose UVB pre-stimulation
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S15687...
UVA can slow down repair of damage from UVB:
Long-wavelength UVA enhances UVB-induced cell death in cultured keratinocytes: DSB formation and suppressed survival pathway
Usually, it involves water, water cools you down, so you don't feel the heat, but it doesn't block UV, so you don't get the warning.
She has her entire family wearing SPF20 24/365, constantly reminding me 'it's the overcast days that actually do the long-term damage'.
I spent a lot of time out in the sun by the Dead Sea and did not burn at all, since the very low altitude seems to have provided me with extra protection, whereas nearby on the shores of the Red Sea, at sea level, I did burn with similar levels of exposure.
There is a certain look to the sky (slightly whiter-bluer) looking against the clouds, and I am not sure if it is because I am directly seeing UV, whether there is some fluorescence, or whether it’s placebo effect.
1: How high in the sky is the sun? (Many other factors like time of year, time of day, and latitude feed into this) 2: What is the chance for you at a given time of the sun being blocked by clouds, buildings, etc?
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