Commas, dashes, semicolons, and spaces have shaped how we read for centuries. What happens when machines start crafting the sentences?

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chasil7 days ago
The play and motion picture Wit by Margaret Edson fixates on a poem by John Donne, Death be not Proud.

The fixation is on the last line of the poem:

And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.

The assertion is that Donne did not intend the use of a semicolon, and converting it to a comma significantly alters the meaning, profoundly uplifting the aura of spirituality.

The play:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wit_(play)

The poem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Be_Not_Proud

Discussion:

https://lavelleporter.com/2015/02/13/readingwit/

"Nothing but a breath—a comma—separates life from life everlasting. It is very simple really. With the original punctuation restored, death is no longer something to act out on a stage, with exclamation points. It’s a comma, a pause."

everybodyknows7 days ago
The author quotes: "So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”

Then comments:

> I think that “beat” and “borne” lack visual concreteness. Shouldn’t it be “paddle”? “Paddle” sounds a little silly, but that’s the metaphor Fitzgerald is using. (Those boats must be canoes, not steamboats. A steamboat wouldn’t care that much about a current.)

A reminder of the obscurity of Fitzgerald's analogy, which is specific to the technology of sailing: A "beat" is a course that will take the boat upwind -- always a challenge. And if the current of the water is pointed downwind, perhaps impossible.

Somehow none of the New Yorker editors caught this either.

rao-v7 days ago
This is a good catch! The choice of beat here to my ear is meant to capture both a sense of urgency (beating a drum to set the pace for rowers) and beating upwind (tacking frequently). The whole article feels a little undercooked and peevishly underinformed for the New Yorker.
wpollock7 days ago
Dang says tomhow is the better moderator.

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jazzprogramming7 days ago
- Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with Me in Paradise.

- But when, Lord, when?!

- Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with Me in Paradise.

- Ahhhh.

JadeNB7 days ago
> - Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with Me in Paradise.

Shouldn't this one be "Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with Me in Paradise?"

sharts7 days ago
English can be so imprecise.
robotresearcher7 days ago
Those sentences are perfectly precise. Yes they are sensitive to the commas, just as they are to the whitespace and spelling.
piskov7 days ago
> what about, say, the war in Gaza?

That was not on my top-5 list of things that may be in that article.

walrus017 days ago
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