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hbn9 days ago
I'll say they definitely need to let people disable/offload the model, but if you haven't tried the new Siri, it's been great. Obviously it's not a state of the art LLM, but it's good enough, and the fact that it can search and take actions on your local data makes it incredibly useful. I definitely use it more on my iPhone where it's slower to get things done the traditional way, but I use it all the time now.

"What was the quote for my insurance claim?" - it'll look through your emails and pull the number with the source email so you can jump right to it.

The other day I asked "when did I arrive and leave Mexico City on my trip at the end of 2024?" and it nailed it based off my flight receipt.

Since learning Spanish I get a lot more Spanish stuff in my feeds, and if I e.g. don't understand a meme I'll just ask "explain the joke here" and it reads the screen and explains it.

You can have an article open in Safari and say "remind me to read this tonight" and it'll make a reminder with the link. Or you can modify reminders - "move my reminder to get groceries to tomorrow at the same time". Yesterday I told it to make me a reminder and it did, but I worded it in a clunky way so I followed it with "reword that to sound more natural" and it did it.

We've been trained for a long time to think Siri can't do anything but I urge you to try it once you're on the new one, it's quite good. And I'm sure I've barely touched all the things it can do. David Pogue published a pretty thorough test other day:

https://pogueman.substack.com/p/125-tests-of-the-new-ai-siri

nunez9 days ago
Siri AI is very capable, but *I* should have control over when and whether *I* decide to enable or completely delete it.

I wasn't expecting Apple to force-feed the AI into my mouth with this new Siri release, but turning "Apple Intelligence" into "Siri AI" and removing the opt-out toggle is gross.

(You can't disable all of other fka Apple Intelligence stuff without disabling Siri AI, and you can't disable Siri AI without switching your Siri language to an unsupported region and turning a bunch of stuff off in Content Privacy and Restrictions. On Watch, Siri is front and center of your Suggested Apps carousel --- which they removed Recent Apps to create, an extremely useful feature --- unless you change YOUR ENTIRE WATCH'S REGION to some other unsupported country. None of this is okay.)

Anecdotally, I can do all of the stuff you've listed can be done without Siri AI or "Classic" Siri and get correct answers almost 100% of the time.

m4639 days ago
Like all macos features you used to like/depend on...

"privacy is a right"

becomes

privacy is a "defaults write <obscure-key>"

II2II9 days ago
I agree that you should have the ability to remove AI features, but that isn't the direction Apple has followed for the past decade or so. There's a lot of stuff in macOS that one should be able to remove, or at least disable, if one isn't interested in living within the Apple ecosystem.
lynndotpy9 days ago
As a side note, the Apple Watch changes have completely made Camera Remote unusable for me, a feature I loved.

I don't know why, but I usually can only get Camera Remote to work when I close all of the recent apps on my Apple Watch, even when my watch and phone were the newest ones Apple released. Probably a bug with memory management they're never going to fix. Now, that's not possible, even when I reboot my watch :(

solarkraft9 days ago
> Anecdotally, I can do all of the stuff you've listed can be done without Siri AI or "Classic" Siri and get correct answers almost 100% of the time

You mean the way that takes 20x as long?

lynndotpy9 days ago
Our experiences diverge surprisingly far. The new Siri was worse for everything I use it for before I turned it off.

The new Siri can not reliably return the weather (it seems it's prompting on the literal text of the town and asks for a clarification sometimes about whether I am in the United States or United Kingdom), and when I ask "what is the air quality index", the new Siri would sometimes return the definition of AQI. When it returns a value, new Siri would hallucinate an incorrect and fixed value. In the cases where it does work, it's very much slower than the classic "rainbow orb" Siri.

hbn9 days ago
I've never even tried to ask Siri about the weather because I have a widget for that to the left of my homescreen. And it's on my watch.
brailsafe9 days ago
I get that these are things you might do regularly and feel more empowered to use Siri for them... but they're rather banal and could be done with literally a one or two step process previously, especially if you're already using Apple's first-party apps which seem to be a requirement here. In both email cases, Spotlight handles searches like that just fine, and moving a calendar event only requires clicking and dragging.

I'm here wondering why so much extra space is warranted, or how to take it back, not so much how I can find a document with specific text in it or use Siri to do something else that was already very easy.

One task I'm wondering about is for example, asking Siri (on the mac) to analyze a huge dump of arbitrary PDFs that may or may not have non-OCRed text in them, and efficiently reorg and rename them based on what the documents should be. This also seems like a mundane task, but requires a little more than just a standard search and would allow someone to take their entire paper archive of private business documents and create a digital archive without too much risk or work. This is something that all local models I've tried so far really struggle with.

hbn9 days ago
I don't know which Spotlight search you've been using but it certainly has not been consistent and reliable in years.

And I don't find manually searching for emails to find something like flight dates that easy. I've flown to/from Mexico city 6 times in the past couple years, and the airline tends to send like 12 emails pertaining to every trip I book, so asking Siri is much faster.

Not to mention these are tasks I'll be able to do in winter while wearing gloves.

zahlman9 days ago
> "What was the quote for my insurance claim?" - it'll look through your emails and pull the number with the source email so you can jump right to it.

> The other day I asked "when did I arrive and leave Mexico City on my trip at the end of 2024?" and it nailed it based off my flight receipt.

Where you see convenience, I see a security nightmare.

kdkdkwjdjwkd9 days ago
He says, browsing the Internet, probably with a Google account.
EricE9 days ago
How? It's all on machine. Which is the point.
browningstreet9 days ago
Why, factoring in the design of Apple Intelligence?
alwillis9 days ago
A couple of things I've done with Apple Intelligence on the Mac:

* When I need a prescription refilled, the quickest way is to message my doctor using the patient portal. I created a Shortcut that lets me pick among 5 medications; Apple Intelligence then generates a message with the request to the clipboard which I paste into the message field and send.

* I have a Shortcut that creates a morning summary: Apple Intelligence generates the weather report. I also get what’s on today's calendar and any current or past-due Reminders.

Just scratching the surface here; will flesh these out more later and create some new ones now that I'm running the release version of Golden Gate and not the beta.

vinni29 days ago
Not sure if I want Siri to know my prescription medication.
hbn9 days ago
The Apple Intelligence Shortcuts creation is great as well. I never had a desire to learn their visual programming language so I mostly ignored Shortcuts. Now it's one-shot some really handy utilities for me.
lotsofpulp9 days ago
This type of stuff gives me PTSD flashbacks from trying timo de-crapify Windows.
jtbayly9 days ago
Yeah, I’ll wait to update my computers until Apple gives us an actual choice.
drooopy9 days ago
I still don't see a good reason to upgrade from Sequoia.
plutokras9 days ago
I was skipping Tahoe too after seeing all those posts about the differently rounded corners.

This time I took the plunge and upgraded, and I have to admit the whole system, especially Safari is much more snappy than before.

kristofferR9 days ago
macOS 27 is way faster and more stable than macOS 26 though, so unless you are on an ancient version it doesn't make sense to not upgrade.
compiler-guy9 days ago
Being short on disk space is a pretty good reason to not upgrade.

I would rather keep my personal picture library on my local disk (with backups, of course) than gigabytes and gigabytes of Apple models.

They were the ones who thought that 256Gb was a reasonable number. And it actually did work pretty well, until they wanted to fill it with models.

jtbayly9 days ago
On one of my machines, I don’t know if I could even make it fit. So it’s a no-brainer to not update on that one, if they are going to force an extra 14GB download on me.
kqp9 days ago
Calling something cutting edge one year ago “ancient” is absolutely wild. To me that word means, like, pre Apple Silicon.
CodingJeebus9 days ago
I've hit some really weird window/workspace UI bugs so far in MacOS27. It's not no-brainer update yet, IMO.
seam_carver9 days ago
macOS 15 still gets security updates.
wahnfrieden9 days ago
Time to permanently offboard from Apple ecosystem then
jtbayly9 days ago
Perhaps eventually. I know I’m in a “closed ecosystem,” and that removes a fair bit of choice in a variety of places. But Apple is known to walk bad decisions back at times. This update is an example, with liquid glass. Another recent one was the iCloud private email planned domain change being scrapped.
worldsavior9 days ago
Though what about security fixes?
sleepybrett9 days ago
why is a local model any different than any other file they want to install with their os?
hbn9 days ago
Well because it could be an extra ~20GB which is not nothing if you have a 256GB disk.
SkyeCA9 days ago
By that logic why not fill the hard drive with OS data? This is a company mind you that still sells some laptops with a base configuration of 256GB, so 10-20GB isn't an insignificant amount to many users especially when it's taken by a feature they may not even use.
njovin9 days ago
It's 14GB of something I don't want, need, nor have any use for, on a machine that is notorious for making storage upgrades difficult.
soapdog9 days ago
because some people don't want AI and would rather even the files were not present in their computer.
alwillis9 days ago
Friendly reminder:

Many apps (like dictation apps) ship with their own models totally separate from Apple Intelligence.

For example, Co-Typist [1] is very useful, but it requires a model installed with it, ranging from Gemma 3 1B at 0.8 GB to Gemma 4 26B A4B Pro at 15.7 GB. It recommended Gemma E2B (3.2 GB) for my 16 GB, M1 Pro MacBook Pro.

It works really well; the autocompletion is so good, it knows what I'm going to type before I do!

Here's the thing: you may not be aware of the amount of storage being used by models in various 3rd-party apps.

The open-source app What The Model [2] scans your machine and reports all the models it finds and gives you the total amount of storage being used.

[1]: https://cotypist.app

[2]: https://github.com/powtac/wtm

happyopossum9 days ago
Worth pointing out that the Foundational Models can be used by more than just Siri - apps, shortcuts, etc can call/run those models for local inference.
jleehn9 days ago
Tangentially related, I've always been frustrated by Apple's refusal to allow sorting photos/videos by file size. It feels like a blatant push to force users towards paying for their cloud storage.
bdavbdav9 days ago
Not ideal, but their disk space recovery thing in settings can do I believe.

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