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tristanj9 days ago
I think a big reason for this is that PDF editing tools are just pretty terrible.

PDFs are meant to be a presentation document format, not an editable document format. I have some experience editing PDFs, and it's difficult to make significant modifications. Editing small sections of text or replacing a date is fine, but once you try to start editing entire paragraphs or changing the layout, it quickly becomes unmanageable. The kerning looks weird, the spacing between words looks off, and when you look into it you realize the the sentence you're trying to edit is actually split across a dozen text objects. For these it becomes almost impossible to edit without destroying the spacing, so you just give up.

And the approved way to edit these PDFs is via Adobe Acrobat Pro, which costs $20/month (ugh), which I'm not willing to pay for.

So I think this is why we just don't see that many PDF forgeries. The editing tools just aren't very good. Maybe it's different now we can just ask Claude to edit our PDFs for us.

slybot9 days ago
PDF's are not Presentation Document Format. Should be "Portable".
ozim9 days ago
Main point of parent still stands - PDF's are not meant to be edited one should generate new from the source material and that's it.
marysol59 days ago
They're "portable" in that they can be "universally" read. Not that you can create and manage them.
marysol59 days ago
Editing PDF's is worse than editing documents in Microsoft Word!

Even generating them on the fly can be a real pain. I had a workflow when I was out of work to auto-generate a CV based upon re-writing sections to match the spec. So I'd have pre-written blocks and slot them in. And yet, somehow, even then it would break formatting all over the place.

mamonoleechi9 days ago
>I think a big reason for this is that PDF editing tools are just pretty terrible.

Inkscape is a pretty good tool to edit .pdfs

when you import a regular .pdf, it needs to convert it once, and once saved, you can edit the pdf and work on it as if it was a regular .svg

if you choose to embed the fonts when saving, .pdf files becomes easy to work on, you don't even need to export them.

sjtgraham9 days ago
I agree that you won't find forged PDF documents in the wild with any type of frequency, but they are forged in private settings. Forged or doctored bank statements are relatively more common. FinCEN identifies altered bank statements alongside W-2s, tax returns, gift letters, and employment information as examples of documents involved in mortgage fraud [1]. In March 2026, a mortgage loan officer was even charged by federal prosecutors with altering and creating bank statements to make borrowers appear qualified for a mortgage [2].

[1] https://www.fincen.gov/mortgage-loan-fraud

[2] https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/licensed-mortgage-loan-...

rithdmc9 days ago
I can't find the quote any more, but when some internal bank workers were done for laundering money (possibly the Estonian branch of Danske Bank), one of the messages between the defendants read "There's always photoshop" :)
yieldcrv9 days ago
I saw it alot in the fake KYC world, phantom commodities trades

and all those things listed wouldn’t be prosecuted, as long as you don’t touch mortgages

I would say KYC in general is a joke and nobody cares, as long as FinCEN and the DOJ believe KYC is working. But as far as the peddling of forged PDF’s go, very common, just not at the point of where the more damaging crime occurs ….. except in mortgage fraud, where that crime explicitly considers the fake employment letter to be the crime

exmadscientist9 days ago
The flip side to this is that when you do come across a forged PDF (and I have!), they can be really, really effective. Nobody expects them. There are usually tells in the metadata, but... there don't have to be.
mjg599 days ago
Not quite the scenario described (it wasn't an academic paper), but https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/73317.html is my experience of dealing with a forged PDF. Part of the reason it's rare is that it's actually very hard to do it well!
anitil9 days ago
I believe it's actually linked in the OP about half way down. What a crazy thing for an agent to do - to turn a minor disagreement into a maybe-crime.
jstanley9 days ago
Are you saying that RightSignature puts the checksum information inside the document and therefore destroys the checksum? What is the thinking behind that?
arjvik9 days ago
was linked in the article!
laserbeam9 days ago
I'd say the reason for this is that PDFs are not viral like images or videos. I don't think any of the technical arguments are strong enough.

If you want to forge a PDF, you do it because you have a private target in mind. Financial fraud, corporate espionage... There are other settings but people don't just share PDFs around for you to see a deluge of fake ones.

rithdmc9 days ago
I believe that some of the DNC (and other hack & leak) documents were tampered with. Does anyone remember if that included pdfs?
marysol59 days ago
One was a word doc they added "Confidential" to the footer, then released as PDF

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