No court ruling was required; only a complaint, a commission, and a censorship protocol built for speed.

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peri-cl11 days ago
Lio11 days ago
This is so funny.

An article about internet censorship of an archive site that requires an archive site to read!

That’s Brilliant! :D

noufalibrahim10 days ago
We used to give presentations about the average life of pages on the internet before it 404ed. It was cited from a SciAm article which was offline at the time and the only way to get the stat was via. the mirror on the Wayback Machine.
tyrabound11 days ago
I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet.

I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune.

If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire.

Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”.

Imustaskforhelp11 days ago
Let me add a few more layers just for some fun and profit :-D

Here[0] is an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page which archives the original article about internet censorship of an archive site that might require an archive of an archive site to read (given that people of spain cant now view archive.is in the first place or might have some difficulties doing so)

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel...

(If someone is perhaps interested and wants to see me talk more about what this is, then please read the blogpost that I had made for more info: https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca...)

abc123abc12311 days ago
Brilliant indeed!
alkyon11 days ago
I live in Spain and can still enjoy access to this site. This is enforced by major ISPs (Vodafone among others), so anyone sane just opts for a local ISP (if they have a choice)
Al-Khwarizmi10 days ago
I have a major ISP and cannot access directly, but in the last few years an VPN has become part of my routine (otherwise I wouldn't even be able to work normally during football matches) so I just click some random country and it's fixed.
apexalpha11 days ago
How is it enforced? IP or DNS?
schnitzelstoat10 days ago
Yeah, I'm on O2, which I think is part of Movistar? And it's blocked.

Fortunately, I already have a VPN anyway :)

swiftcoder11 days ago
It also doesn't seem to be enforced on my Movistar connection, which means the single biggest ISP is opting out?
welwala11 days ago
The order only went through on Friday so presumably the ISPs will take some time to catch up.
rainelli10 days ago
This dude has blocked archive.is for the whole of Finland because he has a beef with a Finnish blogger. What a swell guy, but it's his project.
remix200010 days ago
Not a "beef", but rather some petty blogger spun up a campaign to dox the owner of archive.today, who you can imagine has their reasons not to publish their identity.
Anonyneko10 days ago
Ah, so that's why it never works for me.
eyya10 days ago
example.com blocks Iran for nothing
cluckindan11 days ago
”archive dot is” is a part of the same DDoS network of sites. Don’t use them!
sapphicsnail11 days ago
Feel free to link the whole article through a different site
dudisubekti11 days ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimth...

Vs

https://archive.is/2YdN9

One has paywall, one doesn't...

Sorry man, people will keep DDoSing some random guy's blog. It's a service problem lol

mitxela11 days ago
The one-world government and the CIA are loving all this FUD being spread about archive.is. No, don't access information we don't want you to! Because of... uh... DDOS, that's it!
Jare11 days ago
"502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain)
Imustaskforhelp11 days ago
> "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain)

Here you go, this should work: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel...

(an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page, might take some time to load though)

(this uses htmlpipe, something I have made :-D)

embedding-shape11 days ago
Works fine for me, also Spain, Vodafone as the ISP.

Edit: eeh, that's a different site than the one mentioned by the submission, why it wouldn't work?

Edit2: Also, the error is wrong and server-side. If your ISP is trying to block the website, you'll get either a tls error that the certificate isn't matching, or for non-https sites you get redirected to the scary "You're contributing to something illegal blah blah".

yuppiepuppie10 days ago
Same - 502 with Movistar
nottorp11 days ago
Apparently all of south western europe blocks half the internet in the name of football. Besides Spain there's also Italy, France, Portugal and surprisingly the UK somewhat.
gabaix11 days ago
France has blocked Polymarket since the World Cup in June.

This was requested by the state gaming license authority, which sanction the betting business in France. Most of the business benefits the “Federation française des jeux”, the state gaming company.

Officially this was done out of concern for the safety of the French citizens.

saulapremium10 days ago
>Officially this was done out of concern for the safety of the French citizens.

Gambling regulations exist in most places in the world, including the US. With good reason.

lou130610 days ago
Entirely different situation. Polymarket is a gambling website and is subject to regulation. In Italy and (I think) Spain, they may shut down connections to a Google Cloud or AWS server _at the IP level_ if they have a _suspect_ it's hosting an illegal streaming service. This may effectively black out entirely legitimate Web sites with _no_ correlation to sports.
bigbaguette11 days ago
Gambling is quite regulated in France, it’s not new.
TheRoque10 days ago
I mean... Righfully so. All those new "gambling" websites (who aren't even regulated as such) are an insider trader's dream.
static_motion11 days ago
Portugal only has DNS blocks on piracy sites, which are extremely easy to circumvent. I don't think that block is football-related.
jareklupinski11 days ago
torrent some popular movies on an American home ISP and you may get some nasty letters too

every economy protects its crown jewels to a degree which seems excessive to its neighbors

expedition3211 days ago
It is no coincidence that a lot of piracy is now hosted in Russia.
chronogamous11 days ago
Your comment has got me genuinely intrigued. Would you care to elaborate how football has anything to do with the internet at all? (I'm writing this from northern Europe & as someone who has been avoiding football like the plague most of his life)
officialchicken11 days ago
There was a case at the highest court in Spain where LaLiga[0] sucessfully claimed that illegal streaming was causing hundereds of million of euros in damages. They essentially petitioned for mass blocking of IPTV, causing Cloudflare, NordVPN, ProtonVPN and a few others to get caught up in a sloppy and stupid dragnet. Whenever there is a football match on, a not-so-small chunk of the internet becomes unavailable. After the match is over, it works again.

[0] https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-rela...

cimi_11 days ago
The TV rights holders for football matches want to block pirate streams by any means necessary. Spain appears to be the worst, people get arrested in the UK for profiting off streams (so far, but the communication is pretty aggressive towards consumers too), I don't know about the other countries mentioned.
nottorp11 days ago
It's been on HN a couple times. They block cloudflare during matches because most "pirate" live streams are on there. That means you can't do any work that depends on a legit site that uses cloudflare. Or watch non football content if it's hosted in the wrong place.
OtherShrezzing11 days ago
The UK’s premier league tv rights are worth a little bit over £1bn/yr. The rights holders are tv companies who also run most of the UK’s domestic telecoms, so they lobby incredibly hard and effectively to have pirate match streaming sites blocked.
nickreese11 days ago
Fun fact I learned in Spain recently. They block Cloudflare Edge IPs during soccer games. Took me a long time to figure out why I was having intermittent outages.
michalhosna11 days ago
Not only Cloudflare. They block IP Ranges of many CDNs during the matches.
littlecranky6710 days ago
Which blocks docker hub images. You cant fetch an image during a match.
dawkins10 days ago
for many months I could not access the Linux Mint website... because of this.
unglaublich10 days ago
I guess net-neutrality doesn't exist in Spain?
mitxela10 days ago
the term "net neutrality" doesn't really mean anything anyway
clarionbell10 days ago
Not really. There is EU regulation. But is not really well enforced and offers some interesting loopholes, like zero-rating.
coopykins10 days ago
Every single day, I find another reason to be ashamed of my country. We're on a speedrun to turn a modern democratic country into a corrupt shithole in every way imaginable.
anax3210 days ago
We all feel like this in Europe. It's crazy. How are the politicians all like this?
bsoqk10 days ago
I don't know about the rest of Europe, but in Spain, this happens because people are extremely dependent on government handouts. Most people dislike the government's policies, but they are afraid of having to work, so they don't want to rock the boat.

In Spain, half a million more people depend on getting money from the government than work in the private sector: https://theobjective.com/economia/macroeconomia/2024-09-16/a...

stingraycharles10 days ago
Maybe people are feeling confident to put their masks off with the stuff that’s happening in the US?
mitxela10 days ago
Because they're not terminally online and don't know why this is bad. But they do know that making the rich less rich is bad, just like in the US.

Europe retains more counterculture than the US does, but not enough.

mvdwoord10 days ago
How de we keep voting on the same group of people/ideas?
letmetweakit10 days ago
Imagine living in the US then …
anonzzzies10 days ago
Not sure what they are doing, but I am in Spain; most non tech people friends who like football have a little 'device' they get from their local friendly 'internet installer' which gives them free(-ish; they pay a few Euro per month, I guess for the VPN?) football (+ any other tv/movies/etc). And this is non tech friends who wouldn't know what a VPN is for the 1 million$ question on that show. So clearly it's all kind of useless (we know).

And so far Starlink (I cannot get anything else on my farm) seems to not have joined in the fun; I can reach anything still; probably not a big enough target.

matheusmoreira10 days ago
It's a politico-technological arms race. They make their laws. We make technology that completely nullifies their laws. They need to increase their tyranny in order to enjoy the same level of control they had before. The end state is either a totalitarian government or an uncontrollable population.

Getting around these silly blocks feels good, but these governments really don't like it when we do that. I used to think that we'd find some kind of equilibrium along the way, that we'd eventually discover the government's limits: some principle they refuse to break, some line they refuse to cross... But the truth is these tyrants have zero limits. They really don't like losing their power over us, and will react with the most orwellian mesures imaginable, and they'll tell us it's all justified.

cryptonym10 days ago
> tyranny

Previous comment was about people trying to watch football paying a few euros to shady business, who knows where that money lands, rather than the official offer from people who spent a lot to get the rights to broadcast.

I really don't like the implementation but I wouldn't call that tyranny. Blocking archive is much more concerning.

asimovDev10 days ago
I imagine those devices are same as Superboxes that were plaguing the USA recently
anonzzzies10 days ago
Could be; I just notice that literally everyone has them and calls them 'our free tv' etc; it seems also to have some pirated netflix and other streamer stuff as when I recommend something, they usually have it there.
albatrosstrophy10 days ago
Sounds like IPTV streaming
hsiudh10 days ago
yeah, is 100% an IPTV app loaded into a firestick or a shady Android box ( most likely with some botnet installed or a backdoor); you can also get it by downloading the app directly to you TV. This are resellers of the big providers, they buy accounts in bulk, then pay a second service to filter all the non spanish channel, generate the playlist and add a markup.

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